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Wattie

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I know for a fact the NHS developed a strategy specifically to deal with a pandemic like this at least 10 years ago that covered all these kind of supply risks. What happened to it?
its in isolation somewhere.

Anyone noticed that the death rates are far far higher than the touted 3% odd on the official figures.
 

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Breaking news this morning, The Turks have screwed up and can't find the British stock in there warehouse. It's there somewhere they say.
You couldn't make it up.
 

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37% positive, non-symptomatic in Boston homeless shelter

https://www.boston25news.com/news/c...-homeless-shelter/Z253TFBO6RG4HCUAARBO4YWO64/

BOSTON — The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is now “actively looking into” results from universal COVID-19 testing at Pine Street Inn homeless shelter.

The broad-scale testing took place at the shelter in Boston’s South End a week and a half ago.

Of the 397 people tested, 146 people tested positive. Not a single one had any symptoms.

So what is this telling us? Dirty "street people" are immune to symptoms because they are used to dealing with dirty things every day in their lives?
My parents used to encourage me to "play in the dirt" because it built up the immune system. Nowadays kids are not exposed to dirt like we were back in the day?
 

foibles

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Breaking news this morning, The Turks have screwed up and can't find the British stock in there warehouse. It's there somewhere they say.
You couldn't make it up.
This is very sad... But not altogether unsurprising. Bear in mind covid has now gone off like a rocket in istanbul, and this could be motivated by local politics to shore up domestic supply, or to say to local constituents that they are more important than westerners. Other possibilities are another customer has overbid the uk or.. Worst of all... Part or all payment was up front, and this is simply daylight robbery....
 

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37% positive, non-symptomatic in Boston homeless shelter

https://www.boston25news.com/news/c...-homeless-shelter/Z253TFBO6RG4HCUAARBO4YWO64/

BOSTON — The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is now “actively looking into” results from universal COVID-19 testing at Pine Street Inn homeless shelter.

The broad-scale testing took place at the shelter in Boston’s South End a week and a half ago.

Of the 397 people tested, 146 people tested positive. Not a single one had any symptoms.

So what is this telling us? Dirty "street people" are immune to symptoms because they are used to dealing with dirty things every day in their lives?
My parents used to encourage me to "play in the dirt" because it built up the immune system. Nowadays kids are not exposed to dirt like we were back in the day?
I doubt that's the best interpretation.

Firstly, the veracity of most data floating around about covid19 is dubious at best

Secondly, the logic applied to deductions based on this data is even more shaky.

We have seen numerous such studies.. Such as that from Uni of Bonn last week, which suggest infection rates are far, far higher than what we currently believe them to be. By a factor between 10 to 100. If this is correct, we can deduce that the fatality rate is far, far lower than is thought. A counterpoint to this could be many deaths resulting from coronavirus which have not been appropriately attributed. However, asymptomatic people go unnoticed. Dead people generally don't.

As to your example of homeless people...

  1. It is reasonable to presume they have less comorbidities than the general population. This may sound whacky, but their junk food, salt and alcohol intakes are probably lower, so less hypertension. Certainly less obesity as they have less opportunity for mcdonalds family feasts or kfc 25 piece buckets.
  2. Again, possibly, they are younger. I doubt life expectancy in homeless is nearly as high as those with homes. We know age is a major factor in covid deaths, and nobody has distinguished between chronological age and biological age. So we'll leave it at chronological age.

I'm totally unsurprised by the findings of that research...
 

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This is very sad... But not altogether unsurprising. Bear in mind covid has now gone off like a rocket in istanbul, and this could be motivated by local politics to shore up domestic supply, or to say to local constituents that they are more important than westerners. Other possibilities are another customer has overbid the uk or.. Worst of all... Part or all payment was up front, and this is simply daylight robbery....

Not the first time in the last two weeks that the Government department in charge of procurement has paid up front (£3.5 million for antibody test kits that didn't work) and been screwed over. I doubt they would have promised to send stuff without money up front.
 

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37% positive, non-symptomatic in Boston homeless shelter

https://www.boston25news.com/news/c...-homeless-shelter/Z253TFBO6RG4HCUAARBO4YWO64/

BOSTON — The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is now “actively looking into” results from universal COVID-19 testing at Pine Street Inn homeless shelter.

The broad-scale testing took place at the shelter in Boston’s South End a week and a half ago.

Of the 397 people tested, 146 people tested positive. Not a single one had any symptoms.

So what is this telling us? Dirty "street people" are immune to symptoms because they are used to dealing with dirty things every day in their lives?
My parents used to encourage me to "play in the dirt" because it built up the immune system. Nowadays kids are not exposed to dirt like we were back in the day?

I used to prefer mud pies better than my mums steak and kidney ,
 

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After doing some digging on this Dr Rashid A Buttar there is a fair bit of info potentially questioning his character and validity. Not sure what is accurate or not so take all with a pinch of salt.

Just a ton of info out there both true and false also everything in between.

This Buttar guy promotes his website a heck of a lot so doesn't seem to have the agenda possibly he suggests.

The questions or information in many cases is still very valid regardless though.
 

lozcb

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After doing some digging on this Dr Rashid A Buttar there is a fair bit of info potentially questioning his character and validity. Not sure what is accurate or not so take all with a pinch of salt.

Just a ton of info out there both true and false also everything in between.

This Buttar guy promotes his website a heck of a lot so doesn't seem to have the agenda possibly he suggests.

The questions or information in many cases is still very valid regardless though.

Petty much along the lines that a few of us were advocating very early on at the beginning of this , all repsected research on this thus far show that a chinese eminent virologist was working on manipulating the covid virus from 2014 onwards , initially in the states and then transferred to Wuhan institute (wuhan 4) built by the french , after the chinese started skimping on security procedures the french withdew from completeing the build. This is where the virus was released either accidentally or deliberately it doesnt matter at this time, what we do know is that its here, and its here for a reason , question here now is for what reason ..............I suggested early on as did Wattie its initiating a global reset. for what end ................time will tell............................but definitely tin foil hat area
 

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I'm not a big fan historically of conspiracy theories and have no real idea what is going on here. However it is obvious that something doesn't quite add up. The numbers compared to lots of other almost accepted deaths from 'normal' daily occurrences are much higher than CV. We hear reports of NHS able to cope with still spare capacity but others suggesting the NHS is severely stretched and struggling.

We know that CV was likely man modified for what reason the mind boggles. We have also displayed how quick and easy the planet has partially capitulated in only a few weeks/months. There are record debt levels an increasing global population of 18m per year and all sorts of other info and factors.

The jury is still out for me as so much of this just doesn't compute. The social distancing I can understand but is partially flawed as slightly hypocritical in that it cannot apply in supermarkets/shops in the main and doesn't on public transport. However lots of NHS staff have contracted it upto 50%? Are we actually talking about CV infections or something else. What are these tests actually testing for and what are they actually finding out?

When you look at the Fauci and Gates stuff there are many many questions. In a bizarre way if there are underlying issues and Trump isn't part of them he might be one of the best chances to deal with it. Who knows?!
 

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Petty much along the lines that a few of us were advocating very early on at the beginning of this , all repsected research on this thus far show that a chinese eminent virologist was working on manipulating the covid virus from 2014 onwards , initially in the states and then transferred to Wuhan institute (wuhan 4) built by the french , after the chinese started skimping on security procedures the french withdew from completeing the build. This is where the virus was released either accidentally or deliberately it doesnt matter at this time, what we do know is that its here, and its here for a reason , question here now is for what reason ..............I suggested early on as did Wattie its initiating a global reset. for what end ................time will tell............................but definitely tin foil hat area
Agreed. But longer term, depending on the answer ( ie accidental or deliberate), there could be significant repercussions for China.
 

Wattie

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Agreed. But longer term, depending on the answer ( ie accidental or deliberate), there could be significant repercussions for China.
I’m in the accidental camp.
The “cover up” conduct suggests this- imo.
A naturally occurring event would have seen no malice from anyone, anywhere -if they (China) had asked for help in dealing with something never seen before.
 

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I'm not a big fan historically of conspiracy theories and have no real idea what is going on here. However it is obvious that something doesn't quite add up. The numbers compared to lots of other almost accepted deaths from 'normal' daily occurrences are much higher than CV. We hear reports of NHS able to cope with still spare capacity but others suggesting the NHS is severely stretched and struggling.

We know that CV was likely man modified for what reason the mind boggles. We have also displayed how quick and easy the planet has partially capitulated in only a few weeks/months. There are record debt levels an increasing global population of 18m per year and all sorts of other info and factors.

The jury is still out for me as so much of this just doesn't compute. The social distancing I can understand but is partially flawed as slightly hypocritical in that it cannot apply in supermarkets/shops in the main and doesn't on public transport. However lots of NHS staff have contracted it upto 50%? Are we actually talking about CV infections or something else. What are these tests actually testing for and what are they actually finding out?

When you look at the Fauci and Gates stuff there are many many questions. In a bizarre way if there are underlying issues and Trump isn't part of them he might be one of the best chances to deal with it. Who knows?!

Im used to getting the odd sly look , as a keen Trump advocate ( in terms he's a necessafy tool at this present timeas is Boris ) rockits and silvetcat your forgetting your place by thinking outside of the box you have to return to being mushrooms once again im afraid. Your monitored algorythyms will expose you for who you really are "dissenters" are you religeous , if so read up on a guy called Barry Smith a New Zealander , he was advocating this back in the 80's , met him several times and went to some of his seminars although im not religeous more out of intrigue , he was very very close in too many areas to dismiss it entirely
 
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