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CatmanV2

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Corranga said:
Bit late to the party, but the BBC now reporting on the lies pushed by political parties.

It concentrates on Facebook ads, so still a long way to go - we need more articles like this getting out there - we really need them to be about the toxic red tops though, who spread lies far and wide.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-50726500

Most interestingly:
- for the Conservatives, it said that 88% of the party's most widely promoted ads either featured claims which had been flagged by independent fact-checking organisations as not correct or not entirely correct.
- for Labour, it said that it could not find any misleading claims in ads run over the period.
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Coverage is of four days in December. All paid ads

To put a slightly different spin:
For Tories:
Those sums are significantly higher than others' analysis of Labour's plans . Doesn't actually mean they are not correct. Doesn't mean they are correct mind.

For Labour:
However, it noted that the party's supporters were more likely to share unpaid-for electioneering posts than those of its rivals (the analysis was only for paid for ads)

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Corranga

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CatmanV2 said:
Coverage is of four days in December. All paid ads

To put a slightly different spin:
For Tories:
Those sums are significantly higher than others' analysis of Labour's plans . Doesn't actually mean they are not correct. Doesn't mean they are correct mind.

For Labour:
However, it noted that the party's supporters were more likely to share unpaid-for electioneering posts than those of its rivals (the analysis was only for paid for ads)

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Not sure I get the different spin.

So they were more likely to find the Tories telling lies because they paid for more ads? (except, it's a percentage?)

And.... I'm even more lost on the Labour point.

They only looked at officially supported and funded Labour ads and those were all found to be correct (e.g. Labour were honest) but they didn't look at the unpaid, unofficial electioneering posts which may have been dishonest...
 
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zagatoes30 said:
Don't start me on GPs, before the new contracts our old GP in Silverstone did OOH and emergency services and he drove round in a Toyota Avensis. He now drives round in a Land Cruiser and has both a 911 Turbo and R8 Convertible never does evenings, weekends and even closes on Fri & Wed afternoons.

Mind you still better than what you get in Ireland €45 min to see a GP
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Fair play, work smart not hard is what I say.
 
CatmanV2

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Corranga said:
Not sure I get the different spin.

So they were more likely to find the Tories telling lies because they paid for more ads? (except, it's a percentage?)

And.... I'm even more lost on the Labour point.

They only looked at officially supported and funded Labour ads and those were all found to be correct (e.g. Labour were honest) but they didn't look at the unpaid, unofficial electioneering posts which may have been dishonest...
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OK, let me try another way (and I'm not defending anything)
  1. The tory figures were were disputed. So a matter of opinion rather than fact.
  2. This study specifically excluded the un-paid ad. So there's no evidence that Labour, per se, wasn't propagating more differing opinion but simply by unpaid means.

The way we interpret these data (i.e. Tories lied, labour were honest, if I may make a projection on yoru view) is hugely coloured by confirmation bias.

What I'm getting is
Tories figures are disputed, Labour may have a better unpaid machine.

From the same article

(NB I am not immune to confirmation bias)

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Corranga

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Cheers, I get it now, though given the difference in exposure between paid and unpaid, it’s not exactly a fair comparison, and, confirmation bias or not, one is directly attributed to a party the other not.

All that said, hopefully what we do agree on is that this has no place in politics and deceiving the electorate should be stopped somehow..
 
CatmanV2

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Corranga said:
Cheers, I get it now, though given the difference in exposure between paid and unpaid, it’s not exactly a fair comparison, and, confirmation bias or not, one is directly attributed to a party the other not.

All that said, hopefully what we do agree on is that this has no place in politics and deceiving the electorate should be stopped somehow..
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This is people. They always have and probably always will behave the same way. IMHO the real issue is that we somehow expect 'politicians' to behave other than people do every day

YMMV :)

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Wattie

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Silvercat/CatmanV2 said:
It's both....
Pick one

  1. We don't pay enough tax
  2. That tax is not spent sufficiently efficiently.
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Exactly, governments have been living beyond their means for years (austerity was an attempt to do so enforced on them by the bankers who ****** up). Hilarious that they now feel able to spend now as the debt problem has not gone away. https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/global-debt-end-2019-record-high-255-trillion-330-global-gdp

The public in general hate paying taxes and partly its because its badly used. There's also resentment that multinational companies don't pay very much too.
The NHS and others have been run down as a result and no government anywhere can sort it out quickly- it will take years and years to do so. Its probably impossible to sort out as no-one has an overall understanding of every issue.
People want a Rolls Royce NHS on mini running costs.
Frankly, they're lucky they have any sort of quality service at all.
 
daverichardson

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The NHS comes down to a simple choice
Do we want the present sort of system which may well be out dated, expensive etc but with obvious benefits too
or
A system like the USA (and others) where payment is mandatory or no treatment before work is carried.
Both need paying for hence we need to pay more tax
 
dickygrace

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GeoffCapes said:
Except for Brexit and Donald Trump being elected.

I had a flutter on the Tory's getting the most votes but without a majority at 7/2.
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Brexit & Trump were greatly influenced by Cambridge Analytica etc. We’ll see if this is too tomorrow.
 
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