Brexit Deal

JonW said:

Agree that the Bath Priory is lovely!

In more depressing matters, I really hope this story is true, but I suspect it’s yet more posturing and negotiation tactics...

Brexit: Election discussions in No 10 amid Brexit battle

Boris Johnson will appear outside No 10 shortly to set out the choices facing MPs in a crucial week.

www.bbc.co.uk

I think some of the recent actions (or alleged decisions) taken (by both sides) have been deplorable and contrary to what I think democracy means. However, I would 100% support an election where people have a chance to vote on what they want the outcome to be...

What are other’s views? Ideally without resorting to name calling and pigeonholing people as either Remainers, Leavers, etc...

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I'm in, if we don't like the election result can we have another though?........

What was all that about? Boris lost the plot, if he ever had the plot...

Wanderer said:

What was all that about? Boris lost the plot, if he ever had the plot...

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Just trying to find the scapegoats in his party to blame for an election being required. I doubt the support will be there for an election but BJ can then blame somebody else when he can't leave on Halloween.

Parliament takes control of the agenda, then a three month extension request. Would you like dessert with that Mr Johnson? But remember no cherry picking.......And FFS Priti Patel make your mind up about EU free movement of citizens. First it’s on, then it’s off, then it’s on and now it’s been scrapped. Is anyone keeping score???

It’s actually very clever. If he gets voted against by Tory MPs, he’ll know who and fire them. Pro Boris replacements, Tory government returns with a majority (even Blair thinks so), and all laws on no deal will get replealed. If he doesn’t get voted against because folks want their jobs, same result.

So vote against a no deal and he will go for an election and scupper that, Corbyn suggests he will support an election regardless after all it is his only chance of getting in.

I don't like Boris but he is certainly playing some strange cards that have parliament floored

zagatoes30 said:

So vote against a no deal and he will go for an election and scupper that, Corbyn suggests he will support an election regardless after all it is his only chance of getting in.

I don't like Boris but he is certainly playing some strange cards that have parliament floored

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He's playing the cards parliament is forcing him to. Bercrow is ******** all over established, sensible, and respected precedent (and has been doing for years) so Boris has been forced to respond. Imagine the speaker of the house, who is supposed to be neutral, backing the back benchers AGAINST the government AND the voters. It's ludicrous and he should be sacked immediately. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...ter-decision-to-prorogue-parliament-fldcrgz8g

2b1ask1 said:

Well think about it; if Boris calls it, immediately parliament is dissolved and nothing gets passed = No Deal Brexit inevitable.

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Not sure this is accurate.....he needs a vote of 2/3rds of Parliament to confirm an election.

The good news as far as I am concerned is that around 25 Tory snakes (Hammond etc) who stood on a manifesto and then have done everything they possibly can to upset that will be sacked, in this circumstance.
They deserve to be.

Whatever happens, and I’m no Johnson fan, I’m glad that someone finally stood up for a “leave” vote and took action.

I hope to see what way May votes. We should be entitled to see that.

While rich politicians argue back and forth, I am thinking of the 18% of children already living in poverty in the UK today, and who will feel the pinch in their household, potentially pushing that % up.
Even the brexiteers have warned for an increase in food prices and another hit to the GBP leading to more (short term?) imported inflation...
That really makes me sad :-(

BJ has variously been described as egocentric, a buffoon, an attention seeker, chancer, and so on. I think people forget. though, that he's also a highly experienced politician who is determined and very capable when he wants to be; witness the appointment of Cummings who seems to be Johnson's equivalent of Blair's Campbell. Yes Johnson is playing a dangerous game, but imho he's executing a battle plan rather than winging it, and I'd suggest that folk on both sides of the House are now cr@pping themselves as they should be. As for the Speaker...…..

PH

Phil H said:

BJ has variously been described as egocentric, a buffoon, an attention seeker, chancer, and so on. I think people forget. though, that he's also a highly experienced politician who is determined and very capable when he wants to be; witness the appointment of Cummings who seems to be Johnson's equivalent of Blair's Campbell. Yes Johnson is playing a dangerous game, but imho he's executing a battle plan rather than winging it, and I'd suggest that folk on both sides of the House are now cr@pping themselves as they should be. As for the Speaker...…..

PH

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BJ knows what he is doing. Either he gets his own way re leaving on the 31st October or a general election where he will increase his majority and labour will get crushed by the leaver vote and the Lib Dem’s taking the biggest number of seats ever from them. When Corbyn appeared on screen tonight from Salford just after Boris’s selected clips- you can see exactly what is going on. Corbyn is unelectable as it is- and with the Lib Dem resurgence combined with the ‘leave vote’ of circa 50-51% at least, BJ can’t lose as Cummings we al well know. A brave way to go for BJ (which Teresa May Would never consider)- but in this case it will be he who dares Wins

Phil H said:

BJ has variously been described as egocentric, a buffoon, an attention seeker, chancer, and so on. I think people forget. though, that he's also a highly experienced politician who is determined and very capable when he wants to be; witness the appointment of Cummings who seems to be Johnson's equivalent of Blair's Campbell. Yes Johnson is playing a dangerous game, but imho he's executing a battle plan rather than winging it, and I'd suggest that folk on both sides of the House are now cr@pping themselves as they should be. As for the Speaker...…..

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He’s certainly trying to maintain the upper hand and that is admirable, politically astute and a total revelation to the directionless shambles that has ensued till his appointment.

Once again today, everything Brussels refers to involves the “withdrawal agreement”.....even though that’s the disagreement.

This is a final fight over leave or stay. Nothing else and no-one should be fooled into thinking otherwise.

Grab your popcorn.

If this was a Hollywood movie, The Rock should play BoJo and Jackie Chan as Gove. But no studio would believe the script and it’s so ludicrous. Give me stability please, I am in a crucial point in a new business and their selfish nonsense is causing me (and many others) so much difficulty.

I have a major Chinese investor who asks me how this will affect his investment. How the Fcuk should I know? It’s hurting us all. Never has so much harm been done to so many, by so few. Eton has much to answer for.

outrun said:

If this was a Hollywood movie, The Rock should play BoJo and Jackie Chan as Gove. But no studio would believe the script and it’s so ludicrous. Give me stability please, I am in a crucial point in a new business and their selfish nonsense is causing me (and many others) so much difficulty.

I have a major Chinese investor who asks me how this will affect his investment. How the Fcuk should I know? It’s hurting us all. Never has so much harm been done to so many, by so few. Eton has much to answer for.

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More importantly - we can’t really buy a supercar before the 31st October. How inconsiderate are some politicians?

outrun said:

If this was a Hollywood movie, The Rock should play BoJo and Jackie Chan as Gove. But no studio would believe the script and it’s so ludicrous. Give me stability please, I am in a crucial point in a new business and their selfish nonsense is causing me (and many others) so much difficulty.

I have a major Chinese investor who asks me how this will affect his investment. How the Fcuk should I know? It’s hurting us all. Never has so much harm been done to so many, by so few. Eton has much to answer for.

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This was covered a page or too ago.
“Brexit fluctuations” and you're right the incompetence of Mp's is incredulous.

By the way, now that everything regarding "no deal is undemocratic, not mandated for, blah blah blah can I remind everyone that this happened in June.

The same feckers that were elected on "No deal is better than a bad deal",
and each and every MP that invoked article 50 when they all knew the default was 'no deal",
and then who rejected the diabolical withdrawal deal 3 times (that is the only deal the Eu will offer- apparantly),

voted to keep "no deal" on the table in June!!!

But now, under a Brexiteer PM, it's outrageous, undemocratic and this can't happen without "our parliaments say"?

It appears every vote in favour of Brexit is challenged until its result is negated!

And now we’re having another one to reverse the “no deal removal ” vote that was defeated previously, by these same feckers in Parliament!
Honestly, how many fecking votes do those wanting to leave need to have it respected ?

How many excuses and change of minds and huffs and hissy fits do these self serving shyster fecking MP imbeciles need?

Feck off, none of them are worthy of the positions they hold.

They should all be sacked and all be unavailable for election for incompetence.....and we should bang the feckers up- in the Bastille as they are not worthy of a place in the Tower.

JonW said:

Agree that the Bath Priory is lovely!

In more depressing matters, I really hope this story is true, but I suspect it’s yet more posturing and negotiation tactics...

Brexit: Election discussions in No 10 amid Brexit battle

Boris Johnson will appear outside No 10 shortly to set out the choices facing MPs in a crucial week.

www.bbc.co.uk

I think some of the recent actions (or alleged decisions) taken (by both sides) have been deplorable and contrary to what I think democracy means. However, I would 100% support an election where people have a chance to vote on what they want the outcome to be...

What are other’s views? Ideally without resorting to name calling and pigeonholing people as either Remainers, Leavers, etc...

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Well Jon ( as u know, i'm in the camp that says “we already had a vote on that” - which some have done there damndest to frustrate, see above) but I think any new election undoubtably becomes exactly that.

The banners are set out for round 2, stay or leave.

tory - leave
brexit p -leave
Libdems- remain
Labour to decide.....probably remain- if Corbyn can figure out what side of bed to get out of

My concern as a leaver is the Brexit P take votes off the Tories as happened with the last bi-election and that costs the party a majority.

I guess the same could happen with the Liberal/Labour vote.

We could end up with a hung Parliament again and an even bigger fiasco............

That said, I suspect that the remainers are now trying to put forward legislation that means no-one ever will leave without a deal.....future Pm’s Etc so that this whole thing is effectively totally hijacked, our negotiation position becomes Zero and that imo without question will be a democratic disgrace if it happens.

iainw said:

More importantly - we can’t really buy a supercar before the 31st October. How inconsiderate are some politicians?

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How narrow minded is that post and that Outrun should stop complaining about his new venture going through turbulences that potentially could cost him Chinese investment?? Are you saying that what is happening is good for businesses then? The business I work for has already poured over £100m in preparing our systems and processes for the eventual crash out. Short term impacts are undeniable... long term benefits, no one knows yet. Not even Wattie

And just to reiterate some historical context - to remind ourselves how well the UK was doing on its own prior to joining the EU in 1973, despite its illustrious colonial past and aspirations of grandeur... (despite what some on this forum remember).

The economy was in tatters, and in 1976 the PM had for the first and only time in history to ask for an IMF bailout - the largest bailout in IMF history at the time.
The economy and state finances were so bad that in 1975 when the UK held a referendum to ask the people whether they wanted to stay in the newly joined membership (2years earlier), almost 65% of the population said yes.

A common Human trait is how one tends to forget its past as bad memories (horrible state of the economy and fear for isolation in a conflicted world at the time) fade, which is why history tends to repeat itself.

But fear not, Boris will manage to convince Trump and fend off his “America First” machine and get a “win win” deal for Britain, when China and the rest of the world couldn’t !!

rivarama said:

And just to reiterate some historical context - to remind ourselves how well the UK was doing on its own prior to joining the EU in 1973, despite its illustrious colonial past and aspirations of grandeur... (despite what some on this forum remember).

The economy was in tatters, and in 1976 the PM had for the first and only time in history to ask for an IMF bailout - the largest bailout in IMF history at the time.
The economy and state finances were so bad that in 1975 when the UK held a referendum to ask the people whether they wanted to stay in the newly joined membership (2years earlier), almost 65% of the population said yes.

A common Human trait is how one tends to forget its past as bad memories (horrible state of the economy and fear for isolation in a conflicted world at the time) fade, which is why history tends to repeat itself.

But fear not, Boris will manage to convince Trump and fend off his “America First” machine and get a “win win” deal for Britain, when China and the rest of the world couldn’t !!

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It's not fair to compare Britain after a ruinous run of far left lunatic governments to Britain now. Unless Corbyn gets in somehow.