4200/GS rear spoilers in glass fibre and carbon fibre

I have not had a chance to take them in to Jago yet, but I will later this week.

For now, can I suggest that nobody purchases anything from Nico/Ahvlanico until this is all cleared up.

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Nico has now responded to me by PM I will update you all once we have a resolve.

The thread is now unlocked, Nico will respond here shortly.

Hello My friends.

Im realy very desapointed about 2 or 3 things:
I was not on this forum since a long time, i must confess taht during the winter, the maserati is far from my eyes.

First : about the problems you had with the spoiler and we will try to find a solution.
Second: you said I have read your MP and as an administrator you perfectly know I only discover it yesterday!!!
This could give a bad opinion about me to the others members of the forum that is why i wanted to tell it to the members.
Third: closing this post dont give me any chance to answer now.Thank you very much you have now unlocked it and we could talk.
Fourth: some of you have my personal email as you paid me by paypal why you did not contact me directly.yoo my email was told when I registered.



You must know:
First im an honest men.
I came on this forum because a member told me to.
I did not came only to make business I realy appreciated the members.
I had a problem with silex spoiler because the vernish was not dry enought maybe and arrived like frozen.
I sold some more spoilers coming from the the same supplier and no one came back with a bad feedback.

This was said..now lets work..
My spoiler came exactly from the same mould ! ther is only one mould.
Did your painter put the spoilers at hight temperature to dry the spray ??

What I suggest:
You describe the problem to me and if possible send me pictures. Tell me what was done on the spoilers ? What tipe of spray ?
Only 4 on the 7 sold are with problems ? So the 3 others managed to varnish ?

I gave you the possibility to get varnished spoilers for 15 euros more.I choose to get them not varnished..So Im not guilty of anything on this point. The thnig i dont understand is that if some of my clients managed to varnish the spoilers, there is certainly a technical or a problem of method with Loz ?

I suggest:
I contact my specialist to tell him to say exactly how he do it.

Now I was able at the begining to varnish them for 15 eu /pce because of a batch of 10 pces.
It is better to find a solution localy. Because too the shippings costs will increase again the price.

tell me ?
Nico

Nico I will chat with the other members but I suspect they will want to return 4 of them to you for varnishing.

Can you PM me your address and I will arrange delivery.

Once you have had them varnished and are happy I will pay you for all of them and the return postage.

I am in Le Mans in 12 weeks maybe we could meet up then.

The only thing I am not happy about is that you are accusing me of not sending you 3 emails and 2 PM's that is not the case they were sent. I would also have preferred to discuss this outside of the forum but for some reason you wish to debate this in public.

Anyway lets just get this sorted and move on.

Conaero said:

No, Nico has not chosen to reply to PM or email sent and has been online so I know he has received them.
Ill give him another week to respond then if not I will post you your spoilers and you may wish to persevere with them or take up your issue with Nico direct.

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This was the reason why I wanted to explain my point of view I did not visit this post since a long time. Now You say you sent PM I say I did not get them and any email.Why would I decide suddenly to come back if I first decided not to ??
Untill now I have always tried to be clear , showing step by steps, with pictures, tracking numbers all I could to find to show you the all was under control and serious.

That is not the most important problem, I m not looking for a dispute with you Matt, be sure.

We lost lot of time..I would be one of you who paid for a spoiler and did not get it yet since a so long time I would not be Happy.
So lets find the way to do it.
Please dont send me the spoilers now I wait an answer from 2 contacts.

Please send me pics and say what have been done on the 4 spoilers.
I sent 7, what did the others owners ?
Nico

Here is the first answer from the men who did the spoilers an perfectly varnished mine:
I put the french text and try a translation:

Pour le vernis des pieces composite (ici carbone apparent) il est indispensable de faire preuve de patience.Il faut utiliser un Vernis PU bicomposant automobile classique et empiler plusieurs couches et poncer au 400 à chaque fois à la cale (sur les faces) et ponceuse avec plateau souple sur la tranche (attention de ne pas insister au risque de descendre sur le tissus et "couper" la trame).Renouveler et sur la fin on peux même localement venir poser une petite goutte de vernis sur les trous récalcitrants.Quoiqu'il en soit toujours finir par une couche globale.
Concernant les pieces qui vrillent , la seule explication serait un étuvage du peintre pour secher le vernis entre 40 et 60 °.En effet c'est des températures qui peuvent commencer à mettre en contrainte la forme de départ si la pièce n'est pas loger dans son moule pour la maintenir.
Je vois que çà.Mai si non ils peuvent les monter.Elles sont assez souples pour pouvoir s'alligner..

Concernant le prix du vernis on oubli, leur carrossier est parfaitement capable de le faire s'il est bien du metier ..C'est juste une histoire de patience.Mais c'est vrai que cette finition est fastidieuse je le reconnais et çà a un coût en temps.

Translation:
For the composite varnish of pieces (here visible carbon) it is essential to be patient. It is necessary to use a Varnish Polyurethane classic automobile two-component and to spray several coats(layers) and to sand in 400 every time in the hold (on faces) and sander with supple(flexible) tray on the slice(edge) (attention not to insist at the risk of discover the carbon and "to cut" the weft) .Renouveler and over the end one can come even locally to put a small drop(gout) of varnish on the small holes. Although he(it) is there always to finish by a global coat(layer).
Concerning the pieces which twisted, the only explanation would be a "heat drying" of the painter for the varnish between 40 and 60 ° the parts can twist if they are not bolt on something .
En effect it is temperatures which can begin to put in constraint the shape .

Concerning the price of the varnish : forget.., their painter is perfectly capable of making himself if he is good .. It is just a story of patience. But it is true that this finish is boring I recognize it have a cost at time.

WHERE ARE YOU MENS ? you wanted to talk to me ? Im here..

Hi Nico, hope you are well and thanks for helping us sort out the varnishing.

My understanding that out of the 7 made:

5 where posted to Loz unvarnished.
1 was posted to Marti unvarnished.
1 was posted to Silex840 varnished.

Presently Loz and Marti have had problems with the varnishing, Loz having varnished 1 out of the 5, leaving 4 presently untouched. I believe Marti has finished varnishing his himself, but it has been difficult with many coats being necessary. The same with Loz I believe, many coats, nearly there. The problem being it is possible to varnish the remaining 4, but uneconomical commercially due to the time required.
I believe I have understood this correctly.

I'm no expert on painting, maybe reading your replies there is a special way to do it that results in a good finish in a time that is commercially possible.

I would be interested in the additional cost you charged Silex840 to varnish his spoiler before you posted to him. I assume he was happy with the finish, I actually tried to contact him a few weeks ago to ask but he has not replied.

If your reply with how they should be varnished appears still to be a problem, I do think Matt's reply to send them to you (your painter) to be the best option. If he has finished yours, and Silex840 successfully it should not be a problem?

Cheers,
Mike

There is no problem with the spoilers it is only a question of time.loz certainly thought he could do the job quickly for you but it is not so.simple...this work take a lot of time and.if you calculate the.time.needed it is.not economically interesting.
I wait confirmation but I should have a solution in.the afternoon.
Happy to help you. Don't have any doubts about it !
Will come here later today.
What was the cost quoted by loz for the job ?

Nico I think we have all learned something here.

You should not offer to send parts that require finishing. That way I think everyone will be happy.

Thanks for sorting this out.

Hi Nico
I agree with the others - you should be given a chance to produce the finished product that is fit for purpose. Clearly your painter has the ability and confidence to do a good job. Thanks for sorting this out.
Moz

solution ?

Hi Moz.
If you remember the begining i gave you the possibility to buy a "ready to fit" spoiler including vernishing.
You chose not to take this option. It was certainly the bad choice and i realise now.
I had 3 possibility:
1* the men who did the spoiler. He is out of time to do the job now.
2*My local car painter.He was ok to work a saturday or sunday for 10 spoilers it was economicaly interesting for him.Now will you find a men who accept to work a day of the WE for 50 or 70 euros ? He prefer to stay with his childrens.
3* the men who made paddles for me. He is ok to varnish the spoiler and polish them. I have already worked with him and know he is able to do the job. His price is 30 eu/ spoiler (+shippings)
Ask the question to your painter he will say it is a good price even if it is more than the 15 euros of the first pages of this post.

This is my solution.
If you are ok you send them in one box, he do the job with pictures and you pay directly to him the cost.
everibody is happy and I stop being not popular or feeling bad here.
Be sure im as unsatified of this situation as you..and there was a big missunderstood for the reasons of my silence.
Tell me..
Nico

Nico I have chatted with the lads and we agree that it is best to send them back to you.

We would prefer to pay you and not a third party as it was you we bought the spoilers from. We need you to pass them for quality otherwise I fear more issues will happen.

We would prefer they are finished by the original guy and we don't mind waiting.

We are happy with €30 per spoiler plus postage.

Can you PM me your address and we ship them to you if you agree with our request.

Thanks

Matt

I will PM (certainly today later) the adress to send the spoilers.
You wont send them to me but directly to the man who will do the job.
we will save some euros like this.
He will do the job and when he will give us pics you will pay for the job and costs of shipping back to you.
Happy to find a solution, sorry for the time lost.

Nico, we need you to ok the job we cannot tell if they are to your standard by photos if you don't view them. We dont mind paying the extra postage, please confirm.

Is this the original painter that you sent to me by PM who did the others?

Conaero said:

Nico, we need you to ok the job we cannot tell if they are to your standard by photos if you don't view them. We dont mind paying the extra postage, please confirm.

Is this the original painter that you sent to me by PM who did the others?

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is this result ok for you ?



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This is the job done by the men I gave you the Adress in PM.
Realy no stress he works very well.

Very nice Nico

Are you going to inspect them before we pay?

Conaero said:

Very nice Nico

Are you going to inspect them before we pay?

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No i dont leave close to him.
But he will make maximum of pics for us, like a tutorial.
If you have a doubt , now you have the procedure how to do, maybe you cant try in UK to find someone not far from you.