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Cossington

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Paco's initial figures of £15,000 for a car plus a further £3k maint/improvement looks like a realistic sum to work out a scheme with (actual figures could be tweaked later). Given nine shares at £2,000 each. Nothing to stop anyone taking two or three shares. Cost of ongoing maintenance/ servicing tyres etc can be split straight (here into 'ninths'). This sort of scale of purchase perhaps has quite broad appeal - plenty (I hope) will be happy to 'give it a go' with £2-3k initial outlay.

Insurance is a big unknown - does anyone have any good contacts in the industry to get a sensible view on how an insurer might look at a scheme like this? An insurers view may force our hand into a maximum number of co-owners or a minimum age of owner, perhaps (hopefully not, the fewer imposed restrictions on a workable scheme the better, but better to know at this stage).

Frank, your point 4. - maintenance budget and the timing will probably be difficult to determine before we find the car - its needs will dictate part of the timing at least.

Where possible I think all participants should have a say according to the amount of money put in (or shares bought etc). However, there perhaps needs to be a 'board' of perhaps three people who can make exec decisions when the (say) nine co-owner disagree (eg I could foresee several opinions taking time to resolve on something as potentially simple as which tyres to put on!).
 
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Parisien

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I can ask a broker I know......we may need quite a bit more than 15K....may be 30ish........hence a setting a budget ...plus in reality someone/expert needs to go look at said car before we do much else!


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Paco

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£30k buys the nicest Merak on the surface of the earth and enough to service it without much problem!

So how about we start a thread with a poll showing forum members who could (in principle) commit £1000, £2,000, £3,000 or £4,000 to a syndicated purchase of a classic Maser?

That will tell us if we're looking at a Merak, or maybe Khamsin, or Mexico or...

An additional poll might be on the model - if we have nine proposers who have a grand each but want a Khamsin or they won't bother, we can all hit the rioja early!!!

Insurance shouldn't be impossible, someone like Flux should be able to swing something, failing that a trade policy maybe.
 

Paco

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I reckon the minimum combined budget needs to be c. £20k, as a target at least, that should get a decent Merak which appears to be the cheapest way in to classic Maser territory. Indy's and Khamsin's will push that higher and will require a commensurately higher maintenance budget.

I guess what we need to know from a Merak owner or specialist is how resilient they are, 308's are a darling of the classic hire fleet because they are so easy to maintain, is a Merak a dependable proposition? It is after all being purchased to be driven, with some mild improvements over time to hopefully safeguard the original stake.

More thought required!
 

Parisien

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Lots of thoughts and input so far Paco.......thank you to all who've added their thoughts!


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PS Must up that bid to 11.4K......;)
 

conaero

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This could be had for £40k and I will be the first to put £10k into the pot, 3 others?

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http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C138712/

With a bit of tlc, this car will be worth 50% more in the next couple of years.

I have researched it, spoken to the guy, and other members have seen it and told me its in top notch nick.

3 others out there?
 

Cossington

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Interesting point about the relative merits compared to a Ferrari 308. There is a fair bit of info on the Ferrari Chat site - look on the specific Maserati section.

One point to come out of it is that because relatively few Merak's were made (compared to F 308's), parts availability is far more of an (expensive/ time consuming) issue.

Does anyone use Bill McGrath for their servicing - presumably they would be well placed to give a considered opinion on the relative costs pof maintaining/ servicing and of reliability of Meraks.

Frank, thanks for the link to the original 6 page thread - useful info and it will prevent some of the same stuff being repeated.

Btw it would seem the initial Merak advertised is indeed an 'SS' as it was produced post 1976 and has the squarer dash surround.
 
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Parisien

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Bora...................Adam............this is your absolute preference Conaero, you only way to go with it?


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conaero

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4.7 Bora.

Just to give you a little taster why they are so good:

[video=youtube;WxEvhfMxZgE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxEvhfMxZgE[/video]
 

Khamsin433

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Wow, you don't look at the forum for a few days and it explodes.
Cossington is right that the car is a later production one with the square dash as used in the Bora (the earlier cars had the dash from the SM, all ovals ). This would then lead you to believe that it is a SS. The last batch prodcued then did away with the LHM systems. (I presume that things like the headlight lifts went over to electric operation, and brakes to normal servos) More information can be found on Enrico's Maserati website. http://www.maserati-alfieri.co.uk/alfieri00a.htm

The engine is the main area (after rust) that needs to be consdiered. If Andrew Brodie has worked his magic on it and this can be confirmed then he'd be the one to talk to to get a idea of condition. Body wise rot is the usual 70's issue. Any one remember that car at Stanford hall ?

I would agree with most that's been said in terms of values. You gotta be looking at getting this for £15K to make it worth while. If I wasn't already spending a wedge on the Khamsin then I would have jumped at adding my name on the list. I seem to think that this car has come up somewhere else, was it not the one on Autotrader recently highlighted by someone on here, the milage figure seems familiar?

The other thing is that sometimes you have to pounce as waiting for a better proposition doesn't always bear fruit.

McGraths I have used for spares, and the guys have been fabulous. I know they are well respected in the maintenance area within the club so should be able to quote services costs. As I've just found out, MIE in the States have a good amount of spares available for most of the classics, it's more on the trim side that issues occur.

I'll keep watching with interest as to how this develops.

Good luck and we're all counting on you......
 

Parisien

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James May...on Maseratis......wonderful..............he has a cultured right foot that bloke....:)


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conaero

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Frank the Bora for me is the classic I want. The Merak is nice and can be had for a song and would still consider a small stake in one. I feel the Bora with fewer owners putting in a larger sum per head will prove a better investment in the long term.

Sorry to hijack this thread with an alternate car. Which ever way you go I would still support you.