What shape will the car industry be in after all this?

Wattie

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something like this:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202004279085251View attachment 69681


but Auto rather than MC shift. Blue/ dark colour exterior, tan/ light interior, and as far south of £30k as possible, to be able to get sign off from the domestic line manager!
Far canal.
Whilst I’m not a fan of the black wheels that’s gorgeous and mental money
, unless you live anywhere hilly.
About the only thing I hate living here for is looking at what you can buy these for in the UK.
Gutted.
 

Lavazza

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Has anyone got views or experience of the Ferrari 599?

They're becoming relatively good value. I'm also keen on the 360, 430 (manual if possible) or the 550.

Another car that tempts me is the Aston V12V (had the V8 and enjoyed it, but the GTS has a better engine and no rattles).
 

hashluck

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I have resisted replying to this thread until I had some real data rather than just anecdotal comment.

I cannot comment on new car sales but there is a fair bit of sentiment around about not to keep chasing the latest and greatest and to get off the PCP treadmill, which may have a short term impact but we humans have short memories and incentives and scrappage schemes and such may well tempt some into new cars they otherwise thought not possible. This is not a given though as demand may outstrip supply as manufacturers ramp back up. There, having said I would not comment I just did :) But we don't know.

Now to my area, specifically 'Modern Classics' - in the last two weeks we have sold 5 cars and had many disappointed callers late to the party on those cars. Not only that, each and every one of them have paid FULL asking price. We have had enquiries from Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales, Singapore and USA including of course England. All eager to engage in whatever way they were personally comfortable. This is real, see here for shameless plug :


Our biggest challenge now is finding stock that fits our profile and policy and is still affordable. I think @dickygrace was saying much the same throughout this period. For sure we could have sold a couple more cars if buyers not yet comfortable withe remote dealings were willing/able to travel. They will do so as soon as they can and they will buy I am sure.

My point is, those of you waiting for a post-COVID crash where you will sail in and offer half the asking price to a dealer who will rip your arm off and thank you profusely may be waiting a long time. As usual it will be about supply and demand and for sure there will be some bargains (but that may cost you more in the long run if poor examples) and some corrections on cars that were over-hyped anyway. But in general, really good cars from trusted sources will be in demand it seems even if we are still in the not sure this is the new normal before the real new normal phase.
 

GeoffCapes

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I'd like to own a Ferrari before I pop my clogs but as I'm 6'4" there's none I can get in and out of without making an appointment for the doc afterwards. Poss the venerable 400/412 but they're too dear now and I bet not that fast....

You'd fit in a 430, 458, an FF and a 599. I'm 6ft 3" and fit with ease in all of those.
 

dickygrace

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@hashluck agree wholeheartedly with this, and we have a good insight as we receive multiple calls and emails daily so are aware what people are doing at present.
 

hashluck

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@hashluck agree wholeheartedly with this, and we have a good insight as we receive multiple calls and emails daily so are aware what people are doing at present.

Indeed Richard. And I should have added the demographic is across the board. Male and female and 17-86 years old in our case.
 

Vampyrebat

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A decade or so ago there was a guy up here who was about 80 had a GS IIRC. I hope I still have an interest in and can drive cars like that if I get there!
BB...........The guy I bought my 42 from a really nice chap who was in his 80's!! The only reason he was selling was that the manual box was becoming a handful so he bought a GT to replace it..........I doff'd my cap to him!!
 

Nayf

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I have resisted replying to this thread until I had some real data rather than just anecdotal comment.

I cannot comment on new car sales but there is a fair bit of sentiment around about not to keep chasing the latest and greatest and to get off the PCP treadmill, which may have a short term impact but we humans have short memories and incentives and scrappage schemes and such may well tempt some into new cars they otherwise thought not possible. This is not a given though as demand may outstrip supply as manufacturers ramp back up. There, having said I would not comment I just did :) But we don't know.

Now to my area, specifically 'Modern Classics' - in the last two weeks we have sold 5 cars and had many disappointed callers late to the party on those cars. Not only that, each and every one of them have paid FULL asking price. We have had enquiries from Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales, Singapore and USA including of course England. All eager to engage in whatever way they were personally comfortable. This is real, see here for shameless plug :


Our biggest challenge now is finding stock that fits our profile and policy and is still affordable. I think @dickygrace was saying much the same throughout this period. For sure we could have sold a couple more cars if buyers not yet comfortable withe remote dealings were willing/able to travel. They will do so as soon as they can and they will buy I am sure.

My point is, those of you waiting for a post-COVID crash where you will sail in and offer half the asking price to a dealer who will rip your arm off and thank you profusely may be waiting a long time. As usual it will be about supply and demand and for sure there will be some bargains (but that may cost you more in the long run if poor examples) and some corrections on cars that were over-hyped anyway. But in general, really good cars from trusted sources will be in demand it seems even if we are still in the not sure this is the new normal before the real new normal phase.
This echoes what I’ve been hearing elsewhere too.
Pre-2006 stuff in particular. Various reasons; road tax, nostalgia, limited supply, etc.
 

philw696

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The retro stuff appears to be booming here too in France greatly since I got here 18 months ago.
Not uncommon to see a MK1 Golf GTI for €30,000 and the same for Renault 5 Gordinis and Alpines even my 4 GTL has gone up in value.