Upgrading 4200 alternator

maser_4200

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Hi

Looks like my alternator has packed up in my 05 facelift 4200. As I have some extra load from audio equipment etc., I was wondering if there is a recommended upgraded / uprated alternator available? I imagine that the 4200 part is the same part as on the Gransport?

Is it difficult to replace?

Thanks!
 

CraigWaterman11

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Yes same part as the GS. Difficult to replace? Depends on your mechanically ability. You need to remove the intake inorder to change it out. I do know we've had guys successfully rebuild the in the U.S. Some guys are against rebuilds saying they don't last long, others say they are fine. I don't know of a specific upgrade personally.
 

Wack61

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I don't have experience of maserati alternators but have have had rebuilt alternators and starters in the past, none of them have lasted long , they probably only replace the non working part

The only rebuilds I buy now are OEM because all they use is the case
 

BennyD

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Having had a rebuilt alternator burst into flames in my spyder, I would urge against getting one repaired. They have a very hard life because they are sat in the V in the engine and get extremely hot. I reckon the parts some repairers use are just not up to the job, melt, short out and catch fire. IMO, best to use a standard OEM unit.
 

maser_4200

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Yes same part as the GS. Difficult to replace? Depends on your mechanically ability. You need to remove the intake inorder to change it out. I do know we've had guys successfully rebuild the in the U.S. Some guys are against rebuilds saying they don't last long, others say they are fine. I don't know of a specific upgrade personally.

I don't have experience of maserati alternators but have have had rebuilt alternators and starters in the past, none of them have lasted long , they probably only replace the non working part

The only rebuilds I buy now are OEM because all they use is the case

Having had a rebuilt alternator burst into flames in my spyder, I would urge against getting one repaired. They have a very hard life because they are sat in the V in the engine and get extremely hot. I reckon the parts some repairers use are just not up to the job, melt, short out and catch fire. IMO, best to use a standard OEM unit.

Thanks for all of the input!

I guess it's not a common enough car (or used widely in motorsport) to have aftermarket parts for this.

I'm waiting for a charging system test to double check the issue.

It could still be the (just) less than 3 years very expensive Bosch S6 S6008 AGM battery (70 Ah / 760 CCA) has packed up. But I'm thinking alternator as the battery is reading 11.6V at idle - even after a full charge overnight with a Ctek 10A smrat charger (I was expecting 13V+ at the very least).

If it's the alternator, I'll buy a new one rather than refurbished (looks like they are about £450).

If for some unlikely reason it's the battery, maybe it's under warranty (it was seriously expensive as batteries go). Strangely, the highest Ah battery I can find in the 096 size is a calcium based one:- Yuasa from Halfords that claims 80 Ah / 760 CCA). I went for AGM originally as (a) no leakage likely or venting required, (b) thought it would survive vibration better, (c) thought it would tolerate shorter journeys / lots of electrical devices better
 

PaulCambio

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Previous owner of my 4200 had the alternator replaced in Feb this year. Cost £507.54 + VAT for the 160amp alternator and was a 3 hour job according to the invoice. Work was done by Fiorano Cars in Wembley.
 

maser_4200

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Previous owner of my 4200 had the alternator replaced in Feb this year. Cost £507.54 + VAT for the 160amp alternator and was a 3 hour job according to the invoice. Work was done by Fiorano Cars in Wembley.

Thanks.

I guess it is 160 amp at 6k rpm; I wonder what the idle output is? Looks like a common part across 4200, Gransport, Quattroporte etc.

Anyhow, I failed to find a high output alternator online.

Car is in being checked. Could still be the regulator or just a bad connection etc. Will update when I know more.
 

maser_4200

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Well, it was the alternator gone after all. Went for a Maserati OE item. Couldn't find a high output after market item.
 

mjheathcote

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But I'm thinking alternator as the battery is reading 11.6V at idle - even after a full charge overnight with a Ctek 10A smrat charger (I was expecting 13V+ at the very least).

If after a full charge overnight with a mains 10A charger the battery should be giving more than 11.6V...this indicates it is the battery not the alternator!
 

maser_4200

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If after a full charge overnight with a mains 10A charger the battery should be giving more than 11.6V...this indicates it is the battery not the alternator!

An independent specialist testing the system and concluded the alternator. Battery is testing OK - although I will monitor in case it has a shortened life - although it retained enough charge to start the car, so has been pretty tough. Think 11.6V was after two starts and some idling.
 

mjheathcote

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An independent specialist testing the system and concluded the alternator. Battery is testing OK - although I will monitor in case it has a shortened life - although it retained enough charge to start the car, so has been pretty tough. Think 11.6V was after two starts and some idling.

Okay.
It is simple to diagnose the alternator, with the engine running the voltage should be around 13.5V whether the battery is fully charged or flat.
Taking the alternator away from the equation, your battery independently mains charged overnight should be at 100% in the morning.
...just don't want you to spend £££ and its the battery!
 

maser_4200

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Okay.
It is simple to diagnose the alternator, with the engine running the voltage should be around 13.5V whether the battery is fully charged or flat.
Taking the alternator away from the equation, your battery independently mains charged overnight should be at 100% in the morning.
...just don't want you to spend £££ and its the battery!

You are 100% correct with this. I was kinda hoping I had diagnosed incorrectly, and "just" a battery. Oh well!
 

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Btw, if you have a 'drive by wire' fitted, don't let the battery fully discharge or it may 'wipe' the memory. Mine did and if you drive with it, the car will go into limp mode and your heart will sink. Mine did.
 

maser_4200

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Btw, if you have a 'drive by wire' fitted, don't let the battery fully discharge or it may 'wipe' the memory. Mine did and if you drive with it, the car will go into limp mode and your heart will sink. Mine did.

Think I had something like this happen before when the tracker battery failed and killed two batteries. Ended up having towed to dealer who couldn't sort either ... eventually I arranged for Cobra Navtrack to replace the unit FOC.

Moral of that story was that if you have a loud nasty clicking on attempted start, it's the battery. Charge it or replace it - and try to find out why it died (old age, too many deep discharges, failing tracker, lights left on etc.)