SOLD-DEPOSIT TAKEN-Maserati 4200 Facelift 2005/55 - For Sale - £13995

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The 4200 is a completely different proposition to a 3200 in the main. Much more modern and better built from day one so much more reliable generally. I don't see the 4200 as a flaky car at all and it stands up to much of its competition very well even those from Germany.
Later 3200 don’t apply once Ferrari got onto the QA side. I think it’s very hard to comment if you haven’t had one and believe all the horror stories...
 

rockits

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I've never fancied a 3200 and am not generally a fan of turbo motors. Much prefer a N/A or S/C motor. Everybody is different and prefer different things so not a problem for me either way. In all I have read there seems to be more issues with 3200's than 4200's. That is why I personally went 4200 day one. I am sure many people prefer the 3200 but it is not for me. No right or wrong just personal opinion.

I am sure you are right that the later 3200's will be better than the earlier cars. However that is not really any different to most cars really as the later cars are generally better than the early cars.
 

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All cars have common issues as we know , 3200 End float, throttle body etc and 4200 oil/water pump and hydro locking and variators. I think it’s unfair to say they are more problematic than 4200’s as even those are expensive to run and they are newer cars... the older a car gets the more likelihood it will cost... compare a 1998 car to a 2007? I’ve had four of them and never any major issues. The 4200 unlike the 3200 was built to a budget and the interior build quality shows that with faux leather etc... the 3200 with lead loading and effectively one panel was just a pure design.
 

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Ok, we shall agree to disagree. I am not in the market for a 3200 and just started the thread to sell my 4200. It wasn't a thread to raise the old discussion on 3200 vs 4200 again. They are both great cars just that I am trying to sell my 4200
 

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You moving out of your M3 then?
Well the whole thing started when I saw a 550 maranello I really fancied at a price I could actually afford... turns out that its history was a bit off putting (there lies the reason I could afford that one :). This has unfortunately reignited my longing for a car swap w another Italian...

  • My heart says I should shift the perfectly engineered and probably superior M3 in favour of a temperamental Maserati mistress.
  • My head says I should keep the cheaper to run, great sounding and relatively fun to drive German sportscar.
  • My wife is staring at me in total disbelief wondering how I can possibly think of selling a toy I bought less than 12months ago, given we just signed up both kids to private school... She also keep reminding me I already have a Ferrari in the garage... oops lol.
So I don’t know - if somebody wants to PX the right car or offer me acceptable ££ for the M3 - I will listen :)

Aren’t we all the same??
 

Vampyrebat

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A good bit of interest already which has surprised me a bit as was waiting for a slower burn in the current market. Got someone coming to view Thur/Frid. Also been offered a swap deal for a Monaro which sounds interesting. Possibly also another swap deal for 4200+Chimaera for something a bit more interesting and more expensive but nothing confirmed yet.
Was it this chap??
 

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One of those didn't do very well on the forum track day a few years ago.
Having worked on a few in NZ not my cup of tea a 4200 is far superior.
 

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The 4200 is an astonishing car for not a lot of money and in manual form not a lot made. It’s performance when you think about it, is pretty impressive when you compare it to its cousin the 550. Albeit a 4.2 V8 as Opposed to a 5.5litre V12. Both very charasmastic in their own ways both with impressive pedigree and both special in different ways. What I love about the 4200 is the chain drive aspect. That for me was a big plus...Owning a 355 as much as I love it (as the 550) I know that every 3-4 years those belts need to be done along with potentially the tensioner bearings amongst other things. The positives on the 550 is that same cambelt job isn’t an engine out as the 355 and actually works out cheaper than the 355 to do. Plus no one can deny a fabulous V12 engine mated to a gated shifter has much appeal. Having driven a few customer 550’s, categorically I can say that they are a stonking car, however it simply reinforced to me that the 4200 was punching above its weight category in comparison and yes the performance although better in the 550 the 4200 gave you a lot for a fraction of purchase price. The maintenance costs is another matter. I cannot see anything out there I could replace my 4200 with at those price points.
 

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Well the whole thing started when I saw a 550 maranello I really fancied at a price I could actually afford... turns out that its history was a bit off putting (there lies the reason I could afford that one :). This has unfortunately reignited my longing for a car swap w another Italian...

  • My heart says I should shift the perfectly engineered and probably superior M3 in favour of a temperamental Maserati mistress.
  • My head says I should keep the cheaper to run, great sounding and relatively fun to drive German sportscar.
  • My wife is staring at me in total disbelief wondering how I can possibly think of selling a toy I bought less than 12months ago, given we just signed up both kids to private school... She also keep reminding me I already have a Ferrari in the garage... oops lol.
So I don’t know - if somebody wants to PX the right car or offer me acceptable ££ for the M3 - I will listen :)

Aren’t we all the same??
I think we are all indeed quite similar. A madness bordering on genius on some occasions!

I suppose justification depends on how much disposable you have to play with and how much you fancy blowing on your passion. In your particular predicament I couldn't justify it and would be keeping the M3. However if you have the cash then go for it.....we might not be here tomorrow. I would love to be in a position to operate with my heart more than my head. Unfortunately most of my decisions are ruled by head! I was the sensible one in the family....short of a few odd lack of sense incidents.

I am a fan of the 612 and the 550 so would certainly have one. I prefer the look of a Ferrari with a pair of twin rear lights so they fit that silly little cosmetic requirement for me ;)

Is a nice 550 pretty much £100k though?
 

rockits

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Was it this chap??
It was indeed. Good spot. Turns out now he is looking for a manual 4200 however I know one out there my Brother knows of that I can buy very cheap if I needed one for a deal.

Do you know anything about that Monaro?
 

rockits

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The 4200 is an astonishing car for not a lot of money and in manual form not a lot made. It’s performance when you think about it, is pretty impressive when you compare it to its cousin the 550. Albeit a 4.2 V8 as Opposed to a 5.5litre V12. Both very charasmastic in their own ways both with impressive pedigree and both special in different ways. What I love about the 4200 is the chain drive aspect. That for me was a big plus..the 4200 was punching above its weight category in comparison and yes the performance although better in the 550 the 4200 gave you a lot for a fraction of purchase price. The maintenance costs is another matter. I cannot see anything out there I could replace my 4200 with at those price points.
I agree with this 100%. For the money I think the 4200 is one of the bargains of the century. This is why I bought my 2nd 4200 as it represented so much better VFM than an equivalent spend on a TVR. Trouble is I decided I want a manual box for this car so the 4200 has to go to be replaced by a manual car.

That Monaro looked mildly interesting.
 

Vampyrebat

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It was indeed. Good spot. Turns out now he is looking for a manual 4200 however I know one out there my Brother knows of that I can buy very cheap if I needed one for a deal.

Do you know anything about that Monaro?
Only that it is Australian and a bit mundane looking which I guess isn't a bad thing really, I would rather have something like that over something very shouty and pointy!!............They do sound quite nice and I guess they are quite rare as I don't see many about.
 

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Only that it is Australian and a bit mundane looking which I guess isn't a bad thing really, I would rather have something like that over something very shouty and pointy!!............They do sound quite nice and I guess they are quite rare as I don't see many about.
The one that came to the forum track day looked better once it had rolled into the in field in my opinion.
When a 4200 spins it does it in style as I know only too well.
 

Vampyrebat

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I agree with this 100%. For the money I think the 4200 is one of the bargains of the century. This is why I bought my 2nd 4200 as it represented so much better VFM than an equivalent spend on a TVR. Trouble is I decided I want a manual box for this car so the 4200 has to go to be replaced by a manual car.

That Monaro looked mildly interesting.
Are you saying you want a manual car or you want a 4200GT?
If it's the latter, there are 2 face-lifts on at the moment. One seems decently priced whilst the other (with very low mileage and looks excellent) seems a bit ambitious.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201907120007868?sort=sponsored&radius=1501&advertising-location=at_cars&model=COUPE&postcode=ts70bn&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly New&onesearchad=Used&make=MASERATI&page=1

 

Vampyrebat

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The 4200 is an astonishing car for not a lot of money and in manual form not a lot made. It’s performance when you think about it, is pretty impressive when you compare it to its cousin the 550. Albeit a 4.2 V8 as Opposed to a 5.5litre V12. Both very charasmastic in their own ways both with impressive pedigree and both special in different ways. What I love about the 4200 is the chain drive aspect. That for me was a big plus...Owning a 355 as much as I love it (as the 550) I know that every 3-4 years those belts need to be done along with potentially the tensioner bearings amongst other things. The positives on the 550 is that same cambelt job isn’t an engine out as the 355 and actually works out cheaper than the 355 to do. Plus no one can deny a fabulous V12 engine mated to a gated shifter has much appeal. Having driven a few customer 550’s, categorically I can say that they are a stonking car, however it simply reinforced to me that the 4200 was punching above its weight category in comparison and yes the performance although better in the 550 the 4200 gave you a lot for a fraction of purchase price. The maintenance costs is another matter. I cannot see anything out there I could replace my 4200 with at those price points.
I concur 100%!
 

rockits

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Are you saying you want a manual car or you want a 4200GT?
If it's the latter, there are 2 face-lifts on at the moment. One seems decently priced whilst the other (with very low mileage and looks excellent) seems a bit ambitious.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201907120007868?sort=sponsored&radius=1501&advertising-location=at_cars&model=COUPE&postcode=ts70bn&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly New&onesearchad=Used&make=MASERATI&page=1

Yup, I saw those and all the others. I have been in talks with the seller of another 4200 GT for sale but the numbers don't make sense for me. I would take a 4200 GT Manual for the right car at the right price though.

The later £24k car is not a colour I am a fan of and don;t really want to sink £23k into this car really.

There is a nice 2004 non-facelift 4200 GT on AT for £15k with Larini and only 37k miles. Would like to see that a few k less. Just keeping my powder dry for the moment as not sure what I am doing with my TVR so keep or swap.
 

philw696

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The one in Plymouth looks nice to me with good history.
Just needs the plastic face lift grill changing in my opinion.
 

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Yup, I saw those and all the others. I have been in talks with the seller of another 4200 GT for sale but the numbers don't make sense for me. I would take a 4200 GT Manual for the right car at the right price though.

The later £24k car is not a colour I am a fan of and don;t really want to sink £23k into this car really.

There is a nice 2004 non-facelift 4200 GT on AT for £15k with Larini and only 37k miles. Would like to see that a few k less. Just keeping my powder dry for the moment as not sure what I am doing with my TVR so keep or swap.
A shameless reminder that my manual pre-facelift 4200 GT is up for sale see https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1139419 or PM me if interested. It passed its MOT yesterday with no advisories.