LOW BUDGET STARTER REPAIR

BRIDGEMILL

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Well, here goes another nightmare story for the white glove OEM crowd.
Starter on my 2013 Gran Tourismo was intermittent- would work fine for a while then whenever I was away from home it would quit. After 1 tow truck expense back home I lifted it up enough to crawl under and find the location. Tried the old whack with a hammer repair and it started working, so figured it was brushes sticking or worn. Maserati wanted 800.00 for a new starter and the mysterious "however long it takes" more to change it, so naturally I began to figure how I could do it myself. It's tight under there, but the main cable and lead to the solenoid are easy enough to get to if you remove a couple heat shield bolts and pull the shield back with a bungie cord. The metal support bracket can be removed with just the right amount of twist and turn action. That leaves the 3 starter mounting bolts- bottom one easy- middle one hidden inside the bell housing by a cover plate, but easy enough- top one- Aaaargh- almost impossible to get to- tried all sorts of sockets and universal joints, but could not get on that bolt. Could reach it with a 13 MM wrench bent at 90 degrees, but due to the space could not turn the wrench to the proper angle to fit over the bolt head. Found an old box ratchet in my junk tools and cut the head off and welded it to a straight bar- also found a 1/4 drive 13mm socket which had a thinner profile and welded a 6mm nut to it which fit into the ratchet end. Now I had a 90 degree socket that I could position to grab the bolt head- but- when cutting the ratchet end off the wrench I had lost the spring that keeps the ratchet pawl engaged. So I borrowed one of my granddaughters little elastic hair ribbon ties and wrapped it around the pawl to hold it in place. Got the socket on the bolt head and carefully put the pressure and it began to flex and just before I ran out of space to go, the bolt broke loose. Now just a tedious removal process. Then just another twisting and turning process and the starter came out. Once on the bench I could see it was marked DENSO, a big manufacturer of all sorts of products. Removed the 2 long bolts holding the stator housing and 2 screws holding the brush plate and voila- just as I suspected the brushes were not only shot, but frozen in their holders- from the corrosion in there it was obvious that this thing had been under water at some point. There is a guy I know who repairs starters and alternators- old school little shop with a counter full of books of all sorts of parts-took the starter to him and he thumbed through his pages and found the brush plate assembly and the replaceable solenoid contacts. For 50.00 he cleaned the armature, installed the brushes and contacts. Back home and some more twisting and turning and the starter was back in place. Replaced the top bolt with a socket head cap screw which was easily accessible with an extension and universal joint.
 

Hawk13

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Well, here goes another nightmare story for the white glove OEM crowd.
Starter on my 2013 Gran Tourismo was intermittent- would work fine for a while then whenever I was away from home it would quit. After 1 tow truck expense back home I lifted it up enough to crawl under and find the location. Tried the old whack with a hammer repair and it started working, so figured it was brushes sticking or worn. Maserati wanted 800.00 for a new starter and the mysterious "however long it takes" more to change it, so naturally I began to figure how I could do it myself. It's tight under there, but the main cable and lead to the solenoid are easy enough to get to if you remove a couple heat shield bolts and pull the shield back with a bungie cord. The metal support bracket can be removed with just the right amount of twist and turn action. That leaves the 3 starter mounting bolts- bottom one easy- middle one hidden inside the bell housing by a cover plate, but easy enough- top one- Aaaargh- almost impossible to get to- tried all sorts of sockets and universal joints, but could not get on that bolt. Could reach it with a 13 MM wrench bent at 90 degrees, but due to the space could not turn the wrench to the proper angle to fit over the bolt head. Found an old box ratchet in my junk tools and cut the head off and welded it to a straight bar- also found a 1/4 drive 13mm socket which had a thinner profile and welded a 6mm nut to it which fit into the ratchet end. Now I had a 90 degree socket that I could position to grab the bolt head- but- when cutting the ratchet end off the wrench I had lost the spring that keeps the ratchet pawl engaged. So I borrowed one of my granddaughters little elastic hair ribbon ties and wrapped it around the pawl to hold it in place. Got the socket on the bolt head and carefully put the pressure and it began to flex and just before I ran out of space to go, the bolt broke loose. Now just a tedious removal process. Then just another twisting and turning process and the starter came out. Once on the bench I could see it was marked DENSO, a big manufacturer of all sorts of products. Removed the 2 long bolts holding the stator housing and 2 screws holding the brush plate and voila- just as I suspected the brushes were not only shot, but frozen in their holders- from the corrosion in there it was obvious that this thing had been under water at some point. There is a guy I know who repairs starters and alternators- old school little shop with a counter full of books of all sorts of parts-took the starter to him and he thumbed through his pages and found the brush plate assembly and the replaceable solenoid contacts. For 50.00 he cleaned the armature, installed the brushes and contacts. Back home and some more twisting and turning and the starter was back in place. Replaced the top bolt with a socket head cap screw which was easily accessible with an extension and universal joint.

Good work ..... I presume it worked after all that?
 

BRIDGEMILL

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Yep- works fine- I didn't want to snoop at the rebuild guy's shop, but I think he was on the page for Mitsubishi parts. Basically the Maserati starter is an off the shelf model, the only thing unique to it is the reduction housing that bolts to the Maserati bell housing.
 

Scaf

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Great effort and great result, too many of us have to bite the bullet and write a cheque.
 

Swedish Paul

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I had a starter motor refurb on my Porsche as you could not buy them new from Porsche, only refurbished. Saved a few hundred pounds.
 

philw696

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It's good that there is still some old school auto electrical engineers about but they are getting thin on the ground these days as youngsters don't want to do it anymore.
Good result though.
 

conaero

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Loving your ingenuity. Never be defeated, just know when to walk away and have a cup of tea.
 

BRIDGEMILL

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Great effort and great result, too many of us have to bite the bullet and write a cheque.
Here is a picture of the miracle wrench
It's good that there is still some old school auto electrical engineers about but they are getting thin on the ground these days as youngsters don't want to do it anymore.
Good result though.
Yeah, there used to be a lot of these guys around, but they disappeared mostly due to the entire rebuild industry being shipped off to China. Nowadays you can buy an off the shelf rebuilt starter or alternator for mass produced cars for less than a local guy can do the work. However there is still a niche market for the not so common vehicles. I found this particular guy when we had a starter go out on a forklift which had a Nissan motor. We went to a bunch of auto parts stores and all we could get was a sort of dull-eyed response like- " what car is it from?". Someone recommended this guy and he had no problem finding the parts and fixing the starter.
 

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fphil

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Another matter with starter repairs is that one needs to put it on a bench to check the torque and eventually find out that the old excitation winding is dead. I tried to repair the starter of the Lancia Beta thanks to the spares from woodauto, I was never able to get good torque and I ended buying a Bosch rebuilt for 150E...
 

BRIDGEMILL

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Yeah, you have to check your windings for sure- the housings with windings are available as spare parts from DENSO too, but if you can get a rebuilt unit complete for 150.00, that's the way to go.
 

Alan Surrey

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It's good that there is still some old school auto electrical engineers about but they are getting thin on the ground these days as youngsters don't want to do it anymore.
Good result though.
There is one in Dorking, Surrey. Morgan's. He did great work on my Volvo, Mitsubishi and Vauxhall. Not tried him on the Maserati yet, but I expect the same excellent result.
 

alfatwo

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It's good that there is still some old school auto electrical engineers about but they are getting thin on the ground these days as youngsters don't want to do it anymore.
Good result though.
What you mean Phil is youngsters nowadays cant do it because they don't have the skills!
In the old days, this is the sort of thing you used to fix in the hotel carpark on the way down to France!

Dave