How does a Gatso work??????

[Emtee]

Hi Urban, Curious; is the BMW plate evident or is it obscured by your car? The initial trigger for the gatso is radar set to the prevailing limit. The one or two photographs are supplementary. If there is doubt as to which car triggered the radar, or the order in which the cars triggered the radar, then you may have grounds.

 

[urbanmaser]

You cannot see the other car number plate and it is about 8 of those horizontal lines behind me. Im sure that won't constitute grounds

 

[lozcb]

You cannot see the other car number plate and it is about 8 of those horizontal lines behind me. Im sure that won't constitute grounds

Can i ask the question Were you actually speeding , or is this a genuine phopar by the wrong arm of the law, dont blame you for wriggling to avoid it , i wouold be doing exactly the same


regards loz


regards loz

 

[Gullible]

Asking to see the up to date calibration certificate is always a must do.
I also understand there is a set time that the summons has to be received or that negates the conviction as well(11 days is it?)
Ultimately if the evidence is not contestable then the fine will stand.
I once read that a speeder was taken to court and when he asked for proof he was speeding the judge said "can you prove you were not!"
So justice has now become very subjective and the old Innocent until proven guilty is a thing of the past.

 

[Andyk]

Without sounding defeatist UM if you are looking at 3 points and £60 fine is it really worth going through all the pain. As Adam has said it is very hard to get off these days. I spoke to my Father In Law who works for Vosa and he said it would be a risk to challenge as most of the lop holes have now been closed......If you have more points and this tips you over the edge then maybe you should go for it..

 

[urbanmaser]

Without sounding defeatist UM if you are looking at 3 points and £60 fine is it really worth going through all the pain. As Adam has said it is very hard to get off these days. I spoke to my Father In Law who works for Vosa and he said it would be a risk to challenge as most of the lop holes have now been closed......If you have more points and this tips you over the edge then maybe you should go for it..

Thats the whole point.......if everyone was to challenge their penalty the system would fall apart because the police would not have the resources to deal with it. Look at it this way you get caught doing 150mph in a 50mph zone..........of course the police are going to pursue the prosection no matter what but for 58mph in a 50mph zone is it worth the effort on the part of the police to provide all this information just to gain £60 and to dish out 3 points?????? Well thats what I am testing. In all probability I will still have to pay up but at least I can have the satisfaction of saying I tried.

 

[Andyk]

You go for it then UM...I understand why you are doing it. Hope you win to.

 

[DaveT]

Good luck UM

 

[Gullible]

Has anyone ever done the highsider speed pass?
This is where you time it "just right" to go past an HGV so the gatso never sees you!!
I can do this occasionally on the A30 to Exeter 100+ past the gatso (allegedly)
Absolutly brilliant HEHE!!!

P.s i can understand the middle speeds should be a little "leanient" but as i expect we all do on here,i keep very well below the lower speed limits from the 20mph from my place up to 40MPH as these are the built up areas where the jaywalkers,roadhoppers,dithering suicide crinklys(old folk) ,cycle-idiots and other strange "foot traffic" seem to congregate.Yes the wobbly or double breasted cyclist is a real danger to other road users!(not lady cyclists,I have nothing but respect for them... especially on the bumpy roads......!.....where was i........
No i mean double breasted as in 2 cyclists side by side holding up traffic and not giving a sh@T about it!

 

[Gullible]

I wonder if a valid defence would have been that you had no choice as the manouver to 58mph was to avoid an accident.
I think that if you were about to be tail-ended by a car that just didn`t slow down enough in time, you may have had to speed up to avoid a major road incident.
There has to be an exception based on this fact and also if there were an ambulance,fire engine etc.. right behind you lights flashing and you had to quickly nip out the way to let him pass.
Sometimes trying to triangulate the where-abouts of a siren is near on impossible as the sound bounces off things.
My first defence is an idoit trying to cause an accident and pushing you on(getting unconfortably close and looking like he needs a little more room to stop/slowdown)

I also heard of a lady that was involved in an accident whilst drunk one night (no other car involved)who got off with it, as she said she had an unopened bottle of whisky in the car and was so shook up after the crash she thought to have a little "calming tiple" and ended up drinking half the bottle.Now how can one prove that she was lying?
It was only later that they found out she was an alchoholic!

 

[maserati]

Asking to see the up to date calibration certificate is always a must do.
I also understand there is a set time that the summons has to be received or that negates the conviction as well(11 days is it?)
Ultimately if the evidence is not contestable then the fine will stand.
I once read that a speeder was taken to court and when he asked for proof he was speeding the judge said "can you prove you were not!"
So justice has now become very subjective and the old Innocent until proven guilty is a thing of the past.

Gullible,

A notice of intended prosecution (NIP) must be sent to the registered keeper within 14 days (unless the motorist was stopped at the time and given what's known as the warning formula, 'You will be reported for the question to be considered for prosecuting you for exceeding a speed limit') Once this has been done then the summons must be issued within six months.

Paul

 

[maserati]

I wonder if a valid defence would have been that you had no choice as the manouver to 58mph was to avoid an accident.
I think that if you were about to be tail-ended by a car that just didn`t slow down enough in time, you may have had to speed up to avoid a major road incident.
There has to be an exception based on this fact and also if there were an ambulance,fire engine etc.. right behind you lights flashing and you had to quickly nip out the way to let him pass.
Sometimes trying to triangulate the where-abouts of a siren is near on impossible as the sound bounces off things.
My first defence is an idoit trying to cause an accident and pushing you on(getting unconfortably close and looking like he needs a little more room to stop/slowdown)

I also heard of a lady that was involved in an accident whilst drunk one night (no other car involved)who got off with it, as she said she had an unopened bottle of whisky in the car and was so shook up after the crash she thought to have a little "calming tiple" and ended up drinking half the bottle.Now how can one prove that she was lying?
It was only later that they found out she was an alchoholic!

Gullible,

In law there is no statutory defence to exceeding the speed limit because someone else was driving badly or even to give way to the emergency services. However a motorist could advance to the court what are known as special reasons not to disqualify or endorse their licence. For example a parent living in a remote rural area has a child who is ill and is need of urgent medical attention. Having dialled 999 no ambulance is available. En route to hospital the driver is caught exceeding the limit...... An explanation of this kind is likely to be tested by the court and then it is not always successful.

Paul

 

[lozcb]

Gullible,

In law there is no statutory defence to exceeding the speed limit because someone else was driving badly or even to give way to the emergency services. However a motorist could advance to the court what are known as special reasons not to disqualify or endorse their licence. For example a parent living in a remote rural area has a child who is ill and is need of urgent medical attention. Having dialled 999 no ambulance is available. En route to hospital the driver is caught exceeding the limit...... An explanation of this kind is likely to be tested by the court and then it is not always successful.

Paul

This man knows his stuff guys be warned


regards loz

 

[Andyk]

UM, one question...were you speeding? Do you know.

 

[urbanmaser]

UM, one question...were you speeding? Do you know.

Ask Loz if he thinks I was speeding .....he knows my driving habits pretty well

 

[Andyk]

Thats why you are so passionate about this then buddy...I hope you win.

 

[urbanmaser]

I spend so much time driving carefully and aware of speed limits. The reason I am Captain Slow is not because I am afraid of speed but because I try to show some respect for the law.....this is the penalty