Have we really progressed?

Grant V

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I've lived with the CLS63 AMG for a month now and, although a very different car from the Quattroporte, I can't stop myself from making comparisons. This is a bang up-to-date modern car, which I'm not used to and up until I got this car a month ago, my 10 year old Quattroporte was the most modern car I had ever owned. Before that, my 1985 928S was my daily driver.

I don't think I like all this technology. What I do like, and what the QP lacks, is the Bluetooth connectivity thing, where I can talk on my phone through the radio and connect my iPOd. I also like the Keyless-Go feature, which the QP doesn't have. Apart from that, all the other stuff will probably not be used and I wonder whether we really need to be given all the choices that are being offered. It's just overload. Why would I want four options for mood lighting? Why would I want the day driving lights not on? If the lights in the mirrors light up when I approach the car at night, why would I want this convenience tuned off?
One of the first sobering things was working out the car user manual. The information is limited and you have to go sit in the car and go through the 'Command' system to get all the detail. And you can't just push in or eject a CD, like on the QP, you have to twiddle the Command knob and ask the fecking system to take a CD. Unlike the QP, you can't change a track on the steering wheel - you have to push that particular button on the radio face. And the Merc doesn't offer individual place settings for the interior fan, only individual temperature settings. So, if my other half wants wind at his feet, it turns into a debate.
I also can't get my head around the reversing camera and still turn around and look through the back window when reversing. I do this because I'm scared I will reverse out over someone who is in the blind spot which the camera doesn't pick up. And the blind spots on the Shooting Brake make the QP look like clear vision.

Performance wise, the AMG is an absolute bruiser and I have never experienced anything like it. It defies physics that a five door sedan weighing five kilograms sort of two tons can get to a hundred in 4.8 seconds. It's astonishing in every respect. It has 800Nm of torque at 1750 rpm and you can tootle around the legal limit in town without the needle going over 1500rpm. Very different from the QP, but I just can't help thinking that the Maser is like Maria Callas doing a Puccini aria, and the AMG is an Oompah band. I don't like the nanny safety features at all, especially the lane changing thing. In South Africa you sometimes need to go out of your lane to avoid a pothole, and the AMG has a sh1tfit vibrating the wheel, braking and actually turning the wheel and correcting you into the lane. I haven't worked out if I can turn this off. But then I realised that you are probably so distracted twiddling the Command knob to load a CD that you need the lane thing to keep you on the road.

I do like the design of the Shooting Brake, but this is also it's downfall, because the interior seems cocooned and claustrophobic. The black interior doesn't help, whereas the QP feels airy and spacious. Probably has a lot to do with the cream colour of the QP interior. And almost fifteen years on, I still find the design of the Quattroporte V unsurpassed. The finishes in this car are exquisite: the inlaid wood dashboard centre, the leather grab handles - not even the new QP has these beautiful features.

I know I'm being picky, but have we really progressed? Do we really need all these features? Are the Germans not maybe continually raising the bar with unnecessary cr@p to just keep ahead of the opposition? Maybe I'm a technological dunce and pushing against the way forward? The AMG (and the QP for that matter) sometimes can't quite work out what gear it should be in and but the time it's made up it's mind you've pressed the accelerator pedal and it bangs into gear. Is this progress? My 25 year old 560SEC has never doubted which gear it's in and never changed up or down in anything but seamless changes. Is this progress?

Turns out that the stealership got it wrong and I can't fit a tow bar to the AMG, so it looks like it will have to go. The QP stays, regardless of the impending front bush replacement...second time round. Says something about the car.
 

dickygrace

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Absolutely agree with all of your comments Grant. It is a the same thing I hear constantly from my customers about unnecessary gadgets and gizmos in modern (particularly German) cars. It's so nice to get into a 3200 and there's about four buttons to press, stereo on/off, Sport mode, MSP & folding mirrors. That's the lot, and the car is better for it.

There's a name for us, we are proud to be luddites.
 

philw696

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Absolutely spot on.
No fun to work on either as all your ever doing is software updates boring as.
 

MrMickS

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When my car broke in South Wales I was given a Mercedes hire car for a week or so. My experience with it was pretty much as you say Grant.

It seemed to be laden with technology and options for the sake of it. An example would be the multiple ways to manipulate things. There was a wheel, a touch pad, buttons, and I've no idea whether it was a touchscreen or not. The sheer number of options made for a nightmare to do something as simple as find a radio station if you were using the navigation. There were only two things that I'd have taken from it to put on the Ghibli.

1. The satnav when running was an improvement, the upcoming M-way junctions a particularly useful feature. Finding an address I'd be happy to stick with the one in the Ghibli though, it seemed quicker.

2. The cruise control lever. It was much easier to engage and adjust cruise in the Merc than it is in the Ghibli which has a system that harks back to 2005 or earlier.
 

BennyD

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Oh, I don't know. Head up displays really are the way forward, as are heated seats, blind junction cameras, heated steering wheels etc etc. I know I will always enjoy driving the Spyder without all the bells and whistles but they are oh so nice to have in a daily, especially in winter.
 

markp4200

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I don't post much but love this thread.
For so long I had been challenging friends who like gadgets but get distracted very easily by the constant button-fiddling or screen-poking on their new cars.
The 4200 is so beautifully simple (on the face of it) but for me that was not enough so have bought a companion for it. An original Mini Cooper Sport. remember them! Not something dreamed up by BMW or marketed as a Mini (and it isn't). This is the real thing. Now that is pure 'Ludditeship'; with only one real update on the first ones in that the heater (yes it has one) has two speeds; yes two speeds. Oh yes and the windows wind down, not slidey things!
What is more amazing and something we forget is that the windows clear immediately when the blower is used.
So two simple motors is my dream fulfilled; one pure drama and the other pure simplicity.
It makes such a change from the complexity of my wife's modern car which features all the whistles and bells, most of which I don't use, don't know how to use and would have to take my eyes from the road to use.
For all that, it's also anodyne, reliable and terribly dull really.
 

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Absolutely agree with all of your comments Grant. It is a the same thing I hear constantly from my customers about unnecessary gadgets and gizmos in modern (particularly German) cars. It's so nice to get into a 3200 and there's about four buttons to press, stereo on/off, Sport mode, MSP & folding mirrors. That's the lot, and the car is better for it.

There's a name for us, we are proud to be luddites.

Bang on, I drove a new E class AMG recently and really shocked the sales guy who nearly bollocked me but the wife was in, effortless torque, way too many nanny aids in there and purely soulless. Get into the GTS after it , fire it up and know why you won't be buying the AMG. The 3200 as you say Dicky is just so simple, open it up, start it, drive it and smile all the way, SPORT mode lets you have enough fun before reigning things in but it's never a dull moment. I miss cars like the M5 E61 touring I had because that still had some of the basics which make a great driving car despite the 20 or so different power and gearbox settings, ultimately all you needed was to press the M button on the steering wheel and it unleashed the Schizoid in the car!!!!

I'll never be without a modern classic that's for sure and I cannot wait to jump in my '83 GTI to drive to MAF's tomorrow!
 

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You bringing the Gti? I cant wait to have a butchers

Yes mate, grab the one with fuel in it :D

No the GTS is in paintshop still, 3200 is SORNED as is the MX5 (I was going to bring the hairdresser) and the wife is using the CX7.
 

safrane

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Phil,

Just had a new shape AMG Diesel on rent. 220 CDI version. Fine for the track home from London and the 1 hour of standing traffic on the M4 Last night and just £9.00 in derv... but as a AMG, nope...as a family barge ok.

As for tech...hate to think about what will be working in 8-10 years and they are made from foil now to increase MPG.
 

outrun

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I see both side here. Generally I prefer a more analogue car and am not bothered about tech levels however there are times when I'm busy and traffic is heavy where an auto with comfy seats, good bluetooth, sat nav and the like is much appreciated.

Just about to change my daily driver Mini and likely to buy a Subaru STI (again) as I just love the driving experience. The tech level is low but I"m willing to forgive it.
 

dem maser

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I love my gadgets but only in a daily....
My daily has to have cruise, auto, leather, climate control etc
The weekend car is a GTV and thats as basic as it gets
 

Ebenezer

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As long as you have a CD changer it's a doddle to fit. Otherwise you have a lot more heavy lifting to do.
Eb
 

Vampyrebat

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Yes mate, grab the one with fuel in it :D

No the GTS is in paintshop still, 3200 is SORNED as is the MX5 (I was going to bring the hairdresser) and the wife is using the CX7.

Phil..........I thought you sold your 3200?.........What happened with the sale???