Free Ultrafast broadband for all!

[Wanderer]

Fascinating. According to the new now, Labour hope to come to an agreement with the competitors. If not they may nationalise them as well.

Blimey.

Small other point. Why fibre to the house? Even I don't have that (cable only) and it's plenty fast enough. In fact I have to keep telling Virgin that I won't pay any more for a higher speed.....

C

People want different things though, I'd prefer a solid say 30/30 with low ping and no jitter over 76/15 and latency. My son is a avid gamer, was the top 6 in the World at something, and the top in Europe, his criteria are low latency and jitter. He played this chap in a tourney and just missed out on £15k, cos of that he reckoned.

 

[CatmanV2]

People want different things though, I'd prefer a solid say 30/30 with low ping and no jitter over 76/15 and latency. My son is a avid gamer, was the top 6 in the World at something, and the top in Europe, his criteria are low latency and jitter. He played this chap in a tourney and just missed out on £15k, cos of that he reckoned.

Oh for sure. But forgive me, is gaming something that we should prioritise if we're providing free broad band?
C

 

[rockits]

Laughable! Firstly 10 years.....10 years! Nothing like doing things quickly eh?! It needs to be done in 5 years max if it is to be done.

The inept govt and all politicians can't deliver a Brexit in 3 years likely to be 4 when/if done. What makes them think they can achieve this. Even their understanding and interpretation as to what 'broadband' actually means is laughable. The UK govt term 24Mpbs as superfast broadband. In today's world with demands and tech with IoT etc. that isn't fast enough of future proofing enough. We are just tickling and playing. We need to be more aggressive, more forward thinking and quicker.

The UK is 34 out of 207 countries globally I believe in 2019. Just one place below Madagascar. Hardly a major global force to be reckoned with.

It has taken me 4 years of grief and hard graft to get FTTP to my house. We had 2-3Mbps downhill with the wind behind when we moved in 5 years ago. Now because of me we have 330Mbps/50Mbps FTTP and my 5 immediate neighbours have it too.

There I guess I really don't care anymore

 

[Wanderer]

Oh for sure. But forgive me, is gaming something that we should prioritise if we're providing free broad band?
C

Well people make money out of it, both competitions and developing the games. Think it on, if it did happen, there'd be more working from home, benefits the climate, emissions etc, instant delivery of info for everybody, there must be thousands of ways it will benefit people, not just for downloading ****, sorry, Linux Distros!

 

[CatmanV2]

Well people make money out of it, both competitions and developing the games. Think it on, if it did happen, there'd be more working from home, benefits the climate, emissions etc, instant delivery of info for everybody, there must be thousands of ways it will benefit people, not just for downloading ****, sorry, Linux Distros!

Oh I agree that more people would work from home. But I work from home. In fact I have more BW than our office does...... (and when I do WFH, the limiting factor immediately becomes our corporate VPN. Bear in mind we are a FTSE 50 company, and this is NOT an issue)

So again (and including Rockits, I guess) what do you need 330M for? Now? I have a fully connected house, cameras and a load of other sensors. Run my own email and WFH.

Granted in 10 years time it may not be enough, so maybe we should target it, but where's the line to be drawn?

C

 

[rockits]

Sorry I didn't mention I have 2 x FTTP's! A 330/50 and a 160/30

Actually it has helped saved the environment unbelievably.

Instead of shipping an external hard drive to a customer site to get a fairly large 1.5TB base backup image file from a customer site then ship back to us to take to our Backup Servers in our rack at the Cockfoster's DC I sent it over the line in less than 24 hours.

Couldn't do that with 2-3Mbps!

 

[rockits]

For the record we make money out of selling Internet Lines to businesses so are interested of course to see what goes here.

 

[slay]

Not surprising, as someone has said what would you expect from Corbyn. His solution for inequality - if I can't improve your living standard and earning, let me bring everyone else down to the same level so you have nothing to complain.

Nationalise everything, banks, utility, energy, even private schools... Maybe they would Nationalise people's house - confiscate the mansions and turn them into council housing and give to the poor.

It is depressing, we have no viable alternative to challenge Tories, no wonder Bo Jo was so keen to have election, Corbyn is a god send for Boris...

We are really voting for the least worst possible outcome rather than what is best for the country.

 

[CatmanV2]

Sorry I didn't mention I have 2 x FTTP's! A 330/50 and a 160/30

Actually it has helped saved the environment unbelievably.

Instead of shipping an external hard drive to a customer site to get a fairly large 1.5TB base backup image file from a customer site then ship back to us to take to our Backup Servers in our rack at the Cockfoster's DC I sent it over the line in less than 24 hours.

Couldn't do that with 2-3Mbps!

Almost the very definition of a corner case, and certainly not the reason being touted as to why everyone should have fibre

C

 

[rockits]

Almost the very definition of a corner case, and certainly not the reason being touted as to why everyone should have fibre

C

Agreed....most only need 10Mbps to function well enough. Most offices only need 100Mbps and only larger offices need 1Gbps lines.

However let's get the fibre infrastructure in place and more importantly make sure we are putting it in as standard on ALL new builds that crazingly we currently are not doing. Then the infrastructure is there to grow and scale as required in the future.

We never ever seem to be thinking far enough ahead. Be bold. Much bolder than we have been or are now.

My old cabling director was part of the Lucent team that spent many many months there when they fibred all the Emirates many years back. Now they have the highest percentage of FTTH in the world.

We've worked for the InterIKEA group on a 26 acre construction site in Stratford for many years and the fibre infrastructure won't be as good as it could or should be on the whole site. It hasn't been planned early enough or been bold enough. Crazy on a massive site like that. The govt should be forcing ALL developers commercial or residential to have min 100Mbps FTTH. If we don't do this on new builds now it is just a question of how long before we retro fit fibre at a massively increased cost.

We should have been installing FTTH on all new builds as standard from 10 years ago! We still aren't even doing it now. Idiots!

 

[allandwf]

Not surprising, as someone has said what would you expect from Corbyn. His solution for inequality - if I can't improve your living standard and earning, let me bring everyone else down to the same level so you have nothing to complain.

Nationalise everything, banks, utility, energy, even private schools... Maybe they would Nationalise people's house - confiscate the mansions and turn them into council housing and give to the poor.

It is depressing, we have no viable alternative to challenge Tories, no wonder Bo Jo was so keen to have election, Corbyn is a god send for Boris...

We are really voting for the least worst possible outcome rather than what is best for the country.

It is the antiquated system and immemorial parties that need to be brought into the modern world. How no idea, but I would hope the next generation will have it/them consigned to history.

 

[Wattie]

Where can you just get unbiased honest information from as I'm fed up of the lot of them ?

I’ll happily assist.

 

[Wattie]

Isn’t this whole election a total farce.
I Honestly don’t know if anyone takes any of them seriously anymore.
They are all deluded.

 

[philw696]

Isn’t this whole election a total farce.
I Honestly don’t know if anyone takes any of them seriously anymore.
They are all deluded.

I'm able to vote in this one and my home town is a Tory stronghold and the MP by most accounts doesn't do a lot for Weston super Mare.
So I really don't know what to do ?

 

[rockits]

I think I am now less interested in voting and politics than I have ever been. Also starting from a point of less interest than most. Surely that is not a good thing and not what the goal should be towards the electorate. I can't be the only one feeling this way.

It is almost laughable now. We are almost at Trump levels of ridiculousness. When you can't take the leaders of some of the most powerful nations on this planet seriously it is a pretty sad state of affairs.

Although maybe I'm the idiot and have it all wrong of course. Certainly a possibility.

 

[CatmanV2]

Agreed....most only need 10Mbps to function well enough. Most offices only need 100Mbps and only larger offices need 1Gbps lines.

However let's get the fibre infrastructure in place and more importantly make sure we are putting it in as standard on ALL new builds that crazingly we currently are not doing. Then the infrastructure is there to grow and scale as required in the future.

We never ever seem to be thinking far enough ahead. Be bold. Much bolder than we have been or are now.

Not argument there, but functional broadband could then be delivered to more people faster and cheaper while going for a better level in the future. Shouldn't let best be the enemy of good....

C

 

[philw696]

Listening to Boris yesterday talking about a BBQ and cutting his foot on a broken glass plunger coffee vessel was just something else.
Talking about going to the hospital made him sound stupid unless its just me.

 

[rockits]

Listening to Boris yesterday talking about a BBQ and cutting his foot on a broken glass plunger coffee vessel was just something else.
Talking about going to the hospital made him sound stupid unless its just me.

I agree 100%. How can a clumsy imbecile who clearly can't look after himself so well be running our country. Is this really the best we have in this country. Maybe we should privatise the govt

 

[philw696]

 

[empzb]

I live in a new build estates, in a large village not far from the m32 junction in Bristol. We get 2mbps internet. How the heck remote areas will get fibre when a decent connection doesnt exist here is beyond me.