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PKM_999

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So yesterday morning, we jumped I a fully laden car to take my youngest off to University and was greeted by the engine warning light. Stuck my Autel dongle in and the report lists a load of faults, even though there doesn’t seem to be any other issues.

Can anyone translate the report into ‘not all that technical English’ for me?

The engine light has now gone but I keep getting the Stop/Start warning light when I first fire up the car, but it goes off (ironically) when I start to move away.
 

PKM_999

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Great. That sounds like a job that even I can undertake……probably.

Do you recommend any brands? Bosch seems to pop up on a quick search.
 

AlfaManc

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Great. That sounds like a job that even I can undertake……probably.

Do you recommend any brands? Bosch seems to pop up on a quick search.
Bought my battery from Tayna (2014 Ghibli diesel). There are a couple of videos on YouTube that are helpful in replacing the battery. Probably took me 30 minutes with basic tools.
 

PKM_999

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Bosch battery ordered off Amazon. Hopefully the car doesn't play up before I get a chance to fit it at the weekend.
 

PKM_999

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Everything seemed to be fine for 10 days after replacing the battery but I've got the engine light again.

The Autel gizmo tells me:

P042800
Auxiliary Emission Controls 1Catalyst Temperature Sensor Circuit High (Bank 1 Sensor 1)

So, is that likely just an oxygen sensor that needs replaced? Where would I look for this offending article on the Diesel?
 

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It should be mentioned in dispatches that the sensor might be ok, and some other event is happening and that some level of diagnosis might be sensible.
 
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CatmanV2

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It should be mentioned is dispatches that the sensor might be ok, and some other event is happening and that some level of diagnosis might be sensible.

Yes that had ocurred as well. The message is not the best. Circuit is high as opposed to temperature is high...

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spkennyuk

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Just opened up and looked at the diagnostic report the OP posted.

P042800 is shown as a pending code. This was before the battery was changed.

The pending is significant by way of saying the sensor is working but has picked up a reading that is out of range but not a major issue yet.

The next obvious question is if you scan the car now has it changed to permanent ? If its flagging as pending then see if it will clear and go from there. It could be a loose connection causing an intermitent fault. If its permanent then some more fault finding is required and reading the live data to see what the voltage is doing at part 25 on the diagram when driving.

The fault code you have is esentially telling you there is an intermittent fault between sensor 25 upstream of the cat and the sensor post cat.

Unfortunately this is where you can end up throwing the parts bin at the problem without live data from the diagnostics.

The engine managment system is comparing readings between pre and post cat sensors and saying the reading from the pre cat (25) is not consistant with what it expects. Although its talking about temperature the PCM is monitoring the voltage which should fluctuate rapidly on the live data at the pre cat sensor. If the live data shows it is stuck at say 0.75v then it should throw a permanent error. If the voltage fluctuates and then randomly sticks at say 0.55v then returns to normal you will get a pending error as per the uploaded diagnostic report.

Now as to possible causes :

Check the wiring on both the pre and post cat sensors and the connectors for damage / corrosion.

Check for any possible air leaks at the pre cat sensor part 25.

Check the cat is not clogged. If you can read the percentage from the autel if its high either take it for a long drive at higher revs to force a regen or use the dignostic tool to force a regen. Your other options are using a cat cleaner or a physical exam of the cat with a boroscope to see how clogged it is.

It is possible the catalyst is on its way out which would throw the same code your seeing if the cat is getting too hot because it is clogged. Hence the suggestion to use a cat cleaner to improve its performance.

The sensor post cat could also be sending incorrect data to the PCM suggesting that the CAT is operating too hot based on the compared figures at the PCM from pre and post cat sensors.

The last option i can think of is either a fault on the PCM module or the wiring to the PCM in which case your going to need to probe the sensors and check the actual voltage signals against the one recieved at the PCM.

Link below which will explain more eloquently than i have.


@philw696 can you think of anything i have missed ?
 

philw696

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That's the way to go and from experience can be very time consuming and frustrating.
Just throwing parts at it isn't just expensive but if not OEM can cause further issues.
 

PKM_999

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Definitely fits into the intermittent category as the light disappeared on its own this afternoon. Will put the Autel on again later and see what it is saying now.