Cars that should do well over the next 10years

[gb-gta]

So wanted one of those back in the day....Bet they are worth a load more now .....

My favourite Ford was the late 70’s Capri 3.0S. It was the twin pipes and the noise of the Essex V6 that did it for me. The early (E21?) BMW323i of the same era was the other favourite. Both considered fairly lethal in the handling stakes too! Maybe that was part of the appeal!

I never really fancied a cosworth, amazing car in its day I know, and worth a considerable sum now.

By the way alfatwo, is that the original dealer sticker in the back window?

 

[alfatwo]

My favourite Ford was the late 70’s Capri 3.0S. It was the twin pipes and the noise of the Essex V6 that did it for me. The early (E21?) BMW323i of the same era was the other favourite. Both considered fairly lethal in the handling stakes too! Maybe that was part of the appeal!

I never really fancied a cosworth, amazing car in its day I know, and worth a considerable sum now.

By the way alfatwo, is that the original dealer sticker in the back window?

Yep, Soams Leamington Spa!

Its a very rare one owner car from new, apparently well known on the Ford forums, he's been offered over 70K, he'll never sell it

Dave

 

[rivarama]

Already expensive cars
Lamborghini Murcielargo SV
Maserati MC12
Ferrari F50
Lexus LFA
Carrera GT
Pagani Zonda
Mercedes CLK GTR
LAFerrari
Porsche 918 Spyder
Porsche 911 GT1
etc

Black Series AMG cars
SLS Black Series
c63 Black Series /507 edition
CLK63 Black Series/DTM rd edition

Maserati Granturismo MC Stradale

BMW M6 E63
BMW M5 E60
BMW M3 E92//E46
Jaguar F Type R/SVR
Lamborghini Huracan Performante
Aston Martin DBS
Aventador SVJ
Porsche GT3 RS / GT2 RS
A few of the top of my head.

You must be a cheap date ha ha ha

 

[philw696]

@gb-gta had a 3.0S inspired by Bodie and Doyle and several E21 323i back in the 80's both memorable back in the day.
The Essex 3.0 was fun along with an early 2.8i I had too with the 4 speed box.

 

[Wattie]

If the car is not already sought after now I personally belive the remaining stock will just gradually fall away.

There were just too many built, and people will not want to spend a fortune maintaining them. Gov will legislate them off the roads and only the very rich will be able to run them at things like Goodwood etc.

People see cars like washing machines now, where as the cars that command bug bucks now were low volume, and desired by hundreds...not the £400pm lease deals that have hooked the current generation on a new car and I-phone every other year.

Yup i’m In this camp.....new blood won’t know any different and it’ll be the new silent model with bells and whistles that everyone will want......probably some live stream facility whilst it self drives will be in demand.
Dinosaurs like us will all have passed on.

 

[woody1144]

Surely this would be a wise investment as well. Think the spoiler makes it.

FERRARI F430 SPIDER | Our stock | Hendon Way Motors

www.hendonwaymotors.co.uk

 

[gb-gta]

@gb-gta had a 3.0S inspired by Bodie and Doyle and several E21 323i back in the 80's both memorable back in the day.
The Essex 3.0 was fun along with an early 2.8i I had too with the 4 speed box.

Later on I did get an E30 325i sport.
These have been going up a lot recently, presumably on the back of rising E30 M3 prices. Could still be more to go with these.
(Not sure why I didn’t get an earlier 323i at the time when I could, I still prefer them)

 

[zagatoes30]

Oh that mk1 Astra GT/E!!!!!!

Finding a good one these days is tough, always loved the angular lines

 

[schell70]

I have to say this is all very interesting - recently I was considering buying a 1930's Derby Bentley for £40k with some of the kids money, partially as place to dump the cash but mainly as something to share with them and to pass on. Ultimately I didn't do it because I was really set to thinking what the future of classic cars is given the current disposible 'I want new' generations.

I've done the PCP thing and didn't like it, I've also once bought a new car with cash and didn't like it - both felt like chucking money away even if I could afford it. I have plenty of mates burning £600 a month on something uninspiring but they look down their noses at me with our bangernomics fleet at home and my 45p a mile for business mileage.

2007 Subaru Legacy - worth £1,500 on a good day - owes me nothing
2009 E Class - worth maybe £3,000 - owes me maybe a grand but we've only had it 3 months!
2002 Golf 1.4 - worth £400 max - owes us nothing
2008 Maserati GranTurismo - worth £20k ish - owes me £15k - but with a V8 plate it could be a 2017?!
1972 MGB GT - worth £4,000 - owes me nothing - and zero road tax

I've been looking at loads of late 90's early 2000's stuff but just don't have the storage.

Being 50, I certainly get the hot hatch thing and do miss my Capri 2.8i but lets face it, mine was rusting when I had it and most had been crashed or trashed whereas a 10yr old luxo barge won't rust and is still a nice place to be.

Yes, I get the comments about running 'bangers' but I'm too old and self confident to care now - also, I like a bit of spannering and I do most of the servicing myself.

I'm trying to convert the kids (13 & 11) but my son just isn't interested - seem to have more success with my daughter, she loves the MGB and wants it when she is old enough to drive.

Even if I didn't have to worry about money I'd still be doing the same - although I do quite fancy a CLS Shooting Brake as a daily - if I wait a few more years I can have one for naff all.

So, what I'm trying to say I guess, is forget the 'investment' and just buy what you want as long as you can handle the loss. You can get 6% a year from a peer to peer lending ISA if that's what you want.

 

[rs48635]

I agree but I think there is too much there to make it disappear. At that point the market and interest will be so niche and small it will account for 0.0000% of CO2 emissions will be of little value taxing or stopping it. I am sure the govts will have a good old crack though

The talk was applying capital gains tax to profit on classic car sales. Currently exempt as a “wasting asset”. Not small beer on top level cars.

 

[gb-gta]

Not sure taxing profit on cars will work. Surely once you start to ask for tax on profit owners can offset costs incurred over the years to maintain said profit. Usually that will mean a loss overall. Tax back maybe?

 

[hashluck]

Not sure taxing profit on cars will work. Surely once you start to ask for tax on profit owners can offset costs incurred over the years to maintain said profit. Usually that will mean a loss overall. Tax back maybe?

Exactly. In most cases all it will be is create loads of paperwork to conclude it was a loss after all. Watches are a better target.

 

[Guy]

Not sure taxing profit on cars will work. Surely once you start to ask for tax on profit owners can offset costs incurred over the years to maintain said profit. Usually that will mean a loss overall. Tax back maybe?

one assumes a fair and reasonable approach! NB. VAT on the profit made on a used car is calculated gross, no expenses in prep are offset. If they follow the same thinking, maintenance over the years would not be deductible. There is a discounting of CGT on property, which I guess could equally be applied. I assume the interest from HMRC is not for the likes of you and I hoping to make 10k over a few years on a 20k classic or 80s hot hatch but the big investors buying the multi million cars that have seen huge appreciation tax free over recent years (McLaren F1 0.5m to 20m+)?

 

[Manc5]

My list....
1999 BMW Z3 Mcoupe
1991 Ford Granada 24v Scorpio Saloon (Pre the FUGLY droopy front ended monstrosity)
1988 Mitsubishi Starion (wide body turbo model)
Subaru Brat
Skoda Felicia Pickup (yeah i know.. it's a skoda.. but rare)
Ford Sport Ka
Smart Coupe

 

[foibles]

Indeed and the ones' I was buying 5 years ago have mostly done that already so happy with holding onto mine for now. It's all speculative but cars above aren't particularly costly to maintain and keep.

...Except for the R129 with disintegrating wiring harness.....!!

I was considering an R129 SL500 as they seem like reasonable value, however the substantially mechanically superior R230 is also cheaper and highly abundant. Whilst the R129 does have classic lines, they're pedestrian performers and even the far more expensive SL600 is a quite mundane car. The added 4 cylinders offer no advantage in real terms.

I do think that the SL60 is an exception to this rule (and sl70 and 72 if locatable), and I kick myself for not buying a silver sl60 from 4 star classics earlier this year in the mid 30s.

I'd have thought the NA MX5 was simply too common.. they certainly produced many, but I reckon you're on the money with the Celica GT4. A few of them getting around UK at quite reasonable prices.

 

[foibles]

Original Audi R8 V10 manual for sure is a good bet

Yep, spot on. The gt edition...333 rhd cars....might do likewise

 

[Lavazza]

...Except for the R129 with disintegrating wiring harness.....!!

I was considering an R129 SL500 as they seem like reasonable value, however the substantially mechanically superior R230 is also cheaper and highly abundant. Whilst the R129 does have classic lines, they're pedestrian performers and even the far more expensive SL600 is a quite mundane car. The added 4 cylinders offer no advantage in real terms.

I do think that the SL60 is an exception to this rule (and sl70 and 72 if locatable), and I kick myself for not buying a silver sl60 from 4 star classics earlier this year in the mid 30s.

I'd have thought the NA MX5 was simply too common.. they certainly produced many, but I reckon you're on the money with the Celica GT4. A few of them getting around UK at quite reasonable prices.

I have to speak out for the R129...

Wiring harness issues did affect 1993-1995 cars (exact dates may vary). But early and late models are not affected. Plus many cars in the affected years will have had replacement harnesses. It's not a particularly expensive job either.

Performance of the 500SL-32 (326Bhp) was comparable with the contemporary rivals from Porsche and Ferrari. It was also more powerful than the Jag XJS and BMW 850 -performance should always be viewed in the context of the time. The M119 engine isn't too shoddy, it was used in the 1989 Le Mans winning Sauber C9 with the addition of turbocharging.

The R230 is a less well built and more issue prone car. (There are plenty of reasons why it's cheaper).

The R129 was always intended to be a relaxed and refined GT car, with the exception of the AMG cars that were really at odds with what the car was really about. The early cars in particular are superbly well built and deserve to be highly regarded classics.

 

[allandwf]

Ford Sport Ka

Have they not all dissolved? ! Ours certainly did

 

[Guy]

I have to speak out for the R129...

Wiring harness issues did affect 1993-1995 cars (exact dates may vary). But early and late models are not affected. Plus many cars in the affected years will have had replacement harnesses. It's not a particularly expensive job either.

Performance of the 500SL-32 (326Bhp) was comparable with the contemporary rivals from Porsche and Ferrari. It was also more powerful than the Jag XJS and BMW 850 -performance should always be viewed in the context of the time. The M119 engine isn't too shoddy, it was used in the 1989 Le Mans winning Sauber C9 with the addition of turbocharging.

The R230 is a less well built and more issue prone car. (There are plenty of reasons why it's cheaper).

The R129 was always intended to be a relaxed and refined GT car, with the exception of the AMG cars that were really at odds with what the car was really about. The early cars in particular are superbly well built and deserve to be highly regarded classics.

I agree completely. I am a big fan of the R129. I have been very pleasantly surprised by my SL320. I was originally looking for a 500 but the right car wasn't available at the time so I bought my '95 car, fitted 4 new Michelins and had 7000 miles of fun in it last summer. I sent it to the SLShop for a major major service and they commented on it being a particularly good one. I wonder if impressions are created from driving tired or poorly maintained versions (remember these cars were cheap as chips only a few years ago). There is nothing like tired springs, dampers and bushes to make any car feel poor. Adjusting my driving style to accommodate the slightly softer suspension and taller rubber it proved to provide a fairly rapid broad cross country drive. I think the slightly lighter nose and 5 speed auto offsets the grunt of the 500 and I have not regretted the decision. 27 mpg was a surprise too. I will keep it forever and it may appreciate but I certainly don't expect to lose money on it.

 

[rockits]

I'm a big fan of the R129 SL500 and have had 3. I just felt they were getting too expensive. The later facelift 500 with 5 speed auto is the one to go for. No loom issues.

Problem for me started being parts availability. So much stuff is now EOL. I couldn't order a spare key and loads of interior parts that had discoloured or gone brittle over the years.

The gearbox and engine are bullet proof and they are plenty quick enough. Just not a fan of convertibles per se and it does have a bit of scuttle shake/flex even though it has loads of extra strengthening to counter this. The roof mech is a pain in the butt when it goes wrong and expensive to fix.

The SL60 is pretty quick but brakes are woeful as it is a heavy car and they are stock SL600 items. Nearly set them on fire once and had total brake fade/failure.