Cars that should do well over the next 10years

[rivarama]

Reading @slay response on the car crowd thread, made me think of the next man-math question for this forum.

“At current valuation, what car do you think will do well over the next 10years?”

I know it’s a total **** shoot, nobody really knows, especially given the ICE/EV regulations coming to force over the next 10years - but hey! that’s still a fun game to play, and what else do you have to do now that grinch Bojo killed Christmas??

When answering, please tell us why you think those cars will do well financially, tell us what you think they are truly worth today, and your thoughts around maintenance costs etc... anything that will make us ponder / daydream about what to buy next lol

 

[conaero]

Good question and one I have discussed quite a bit of late.

My opinion is when all said and done with EV and the penny drops that 0-60 time is not important people will look to petrol cars for some weekend fun.

Only the strongest will survive so V12/V10/V8/V6 and NA at that.

All the run of the mill dross will just be scrapped.

Then when hydrogen comes out the 4 stroke engine can be retro fitted to run with it.

Begs the question why we are bothering with EV doesn’t it?

Well the money men have to get their ROI before giving us the hydrogen.

 

[rivarama]

Can’t agree with you more Matt.

Do you have any thoughts on said cars that will fare well over the next 10years (and beyond)?

 

[dickygrace]

Agree with @conaero, special, rare, survival of the fittest.

Close to home first:
Ghibli GT, 3200, Gransport, QPV 4.7 GTS

AM V12V, DBS Manual, Ferrari 360

Hypercars such as a Zonda, MC12, F40, Enzo.

 

[Nayf]

996 GT2 and GT3 have been stable for a long time. They’re also much rarer than you might think.

Aircooled pork will rise again, maybe not as dramatically as before.

Six-cylinder E36 BMWs.

Audi RS4 B7 is part of a growing appreciation for Audis, and I can only see the original UR Quattro continuing to grow.

Already expensive Japanese stuff will continue its ascent - R34 Skylines, NSX-R etc. This will drive prices of the less covetable versions upwards.

Ford Focus RS 1 (particularly) and RS 2

Alfa GTAs.

306 GTI-6/Rallye, once people realise how rare they are.

Six-cyclinder Merc 190E/W124

 

[Lavazza]

Agree with @conaero, special, rare, survival of the fittest.

Close to home first:
Ghibli GT, 3200, Gransport, QPV 4.7 GTS

AM V12V, DBS Manual, Ferrari 360

Hypercars such as a Zonda, MC12, F40, Enzo.

V12V manual only, or would you include the V12V S sportshift?

 

[dickygrace]

V12V manual only, or would you include the V12V S sportshift?

More so the manual but the sport shift ok, just got to buy the right car at the right money.

 

[zagatoes30]

In my view there are two things that drive the increase in car prices one is rarity and 2 is lustability (probably not a word but it hits the spot). The first is easy to determine and this certainly drives the top endow the market, all the supercars are built in limited numbers and for those with the means these are the ones to be seen in, the limited production should ensure this remains the case. Lustabilty though is tougher to pinpoint, yes it too applies to the poster models from the big boys but this also drives the lower end of the market.

We all have our own personal favourite, that car your Dad or you couldn't quite afford, the one that was on the cover of all the contemporary motoring press, the one that was on every billboard, TV or newspaper advert in essence that one that was just out of reach. These memories stay with us and as we move up the wage ladder the amount of free cash starts to increase and these memories are stirred and ask what if or could I? When we ask we look and when we look we see that those that were once out of reach are no longer, those personal favourites are now achievable and they trigger all those teenage feelings of lust but this time we buy them.

So I think for those with smaller amounts of available resources anything that was just out of reach in those early days of car awareness that were also rare are the ones to go for but beware of the halo effect on lesser models. Take the Escort Mexico, a limited production run of a base car but with enough differences to those in the know, that drilled front panel, the slightly wider arches, spilt bumpers etc. these cars have rocketed in price over the last few years and due to limited supply will remain strong however just having a Mk1 that looks like a Mexico is not enough, in the short term maybe the prices rise but over time they fall back and people get burnt.

There are many examples that meet my criteria that have already been and gone, E30 M3, Golf GTi Mk1, Skyline GTRs, Integrales etc. but there are more to come and each generation knows there own era maybe the first Honda Integra, Ford Puma FRP, Alfa 147 GTA, Merc C32 AMG etc. It might be harder today as manufacturers have worked out that short production run niche marketing can have a halo effect so there are lots out there picking the right one will still be the challenge

 

[rivarama]

In addition to what’s been list above already, I don’t see how you lose money (even if prices might not go to the roof) on the following:

• Granturismo MC Shift sub £30k
• Manual V8V (4.3) around £25-27
• Manual E46 M3 or E92 for £18-20k
• Manual Ferrari 550 for £60k, 355 for £60k, 348 for £40k
• Manual Porsche 993 for £35-40k

 

[rivarama]

In my view there are two things that drive the increase in car prices one is rarity and 2 is lustability (probably not a word but it hits the spot). The first is easy to determine and this certainly drives the top endow the market, all the supercars are built in limited numbers and for those with the means these are the ones to be seen in, the limited production should ensure this remains the case. Lustabilty though is tougher to pinpoint, yes it too applies to the poster models from the big boys but this also drives the lower end of the market.

Although I agree broadly, there are still mysteries out there. How do you explain that most GS are still trading around £20k, and MC victories aren’t selling above £40k and that you start seeing stradale sub £50K?
It really beats me.

 

[Lavazza]

In addition to what’s been list above already, I don’t see how you lose money (even if prices might not go to the roof) on the following:

• Granturismo MC Shift sub £30k
• Manual V8V (4.3) around £25-27
• Manual E46 M3 or E92 for £18-20k
• Manual Ferrari 550 for £60k, 355 for £60k, 348 for £40k
• Manual Porsche 993 for £35-40k

Looking at that list, I've had all except Ferrari. Whenever I sell something the values go up!
OK, I made a bit of money on the M3, lost on the Vantage and 993. Still have the GT S MC.

 

[dickygrace]

Although I agree broadly, there are still mysteries out there. How do you explain that most GS are still trading around £20k, and MC victories aren’t selling above £40k and that you start seeing stradale sub £50K?
It really beats me.

MCV’s are nearer £60k and do sell, only leggy or knackered Strad’s at £40k somethings, good GS’s are nearer £25-30k.

 

[rivarama]

I need a bigger garage !!!

 

[rivarama]

MCV’s are nearer £60k and do sell, only leggy or knackered Strad’s at £40k somethings, good GS’s are nearer £25-30k.

Although I get your point about buying superb condition cars if they are long time keepers, I have seen a couple of nice GS I would happy to own for early 20s (Not garage queens though), and the strad that sold recently for £50k on AT looked OK to me, no? I really don’t mind a 40k Miles car if service is up to date.

 

[dickygrace]

In addition to what’s been list above already, I don’t see how you lose money (even if prices might not go to the roof) on the following:

• Granturismo MC Shift sub £30k
• Manual V8V (4.3) around £25-27
• Manual E46 M3 or E92 for £18-20k
• Manual Ferrari 550 for £60k, 355 for £60k, 348 for £40k
• Manual Porsche 993 for £35-40k

I have zero interest in BMW’s so can’t comment on that, but the others in the list aren’t achievable for a good car.
MC’s, manual 550’s 355’s & 360’s cost more as do manual 993’s & V8V’s. If we are talking about appreciation of assets then it goes without saying the car requires a fully clean bill of health and sensible mileage as a minimum starter. It would also be good to be low owners and a desirable colour combo, correct MY’s and gearbox choice too. I’d suggest you’re likely to pay 10-20% over these figures as a starter.

 

[dickygrace]

Although I get your point about buying superb condition cars if they are long time keepers, I have seen a couple of nice GS I would happy to own for early 20s (Not garage queens though), and the strad that sold recently for £50k on AT looked OK to me, no? I really don’t mind a 40k Miles car if service is up to date.

I look (probably more than most) and didn’t see a Strad at £50k. GS’s at early £20k’s are achievable but not at £20k very often.

 

[dickygrace]

Edit. I did see a Strad at £50k last year. When inspected it required considerable spend.

 

[hashluck]

996 GT2 and GT3 have been stable for a long time. They’re also much rarer than you might think.

Aircooled pork will rise again, maybe not as dramatically as before.

Six-cylinder E36 BMWs.

Audi RS4 B7 is part of a growing appreciation for Audis, and I can only see the original UR Quattro continuing to grow.

Already expensive Japanese stuff will continue its ascent - R34 Skylines, NSX-R etc. This will drive prices of the less covetable versions upwards.

Ford Focus RS 1 (particularly) and RS 2

Alfa GTAs.

306 GTI-6/Rallye, once people realise how rare they are.

Six-cyclinder Merc 190E/W124

We have been buying up good Audis but have also just added a couple of 2.6E Mercedes 190Es - already much harder to find than you might think. They are now both ready for sale but we are wondering whether to hold onto them a bit. Will just have to find some more. We know of two breakers who make way more breaking 190Es than restoring them. They are disappearing fast. Audi TT MK1 will go the same way.

BMW E36 already getting hard to buy so we are promoting the virtues of the 6-cylinder E46 - will hang onto my Alpinas as the discerning choice down the road.

We really should buy Focus RS as well but just cannot find any unmolested ones which are not silly money (even if that might not seem like silly money down the road).

Sadly people will remain terrified of buying a Maserati (ever thus?) due to the appalling way the brand and brand heritage has been handled. But for me a 2-seater Stradale remains a pinnacle and the MC-Victory just has that special something. But feeding into a niche market (but there are so few cars that is OK). I hope the MC20 is amazing and then people will start to take notice and reaiise what they have been missing.

 

[philw696]

Certainly going to be watching things for sure and I know many off us spend many hours tracking prices and values.

 

[Ebenezer]

Trouble is, if you have this mentality about the value of the car you're never going to really enjoy the key thing about owning it, which is of course, to drive it!
I'm happy to lurk around the fringes, basking in the reflected glory of the appreciating halo garage queens spanking my car as often as possible, and not worrrying about it's value (or lack of!)
Eb