Are you worried yet.

[GeoffCapes]

I think I saw an advert for solar saying that you get 5p per kWh now! @Dan! will know precisely.

Think it's currently 4.8p to sell directly to the grid.

 

[midlifecrisis]

Think it's currently 4.8p to sell directly to the grid.

Nitpicker!

 

[Wanderer]

This is all I get from my Solar Panels, if that's what we're on about, CBA reading back....

 

[D Walker]

This comment from the briefing caused quite a debate in the Walker household this evening....

We now move on to questions from the media, starting with the BBC's Rianna Croxford.
She says the Public Health England report published earlier on racial and demographic disparities only told the country what it already knew and asks Hancock why the government has not done more to "support and protect" BAME communities from the virus.

 

[philw696]

 

[lozcb]

This comment from the briefing caused quite a debate in the Walker household this evening....

We now move on to questions from the media, starting with the BBC's Rianna Croxford.
She says the Public Health England report published earlier on racial and demographic disparities only told the country what it already knew and asks Hancock why the government has not done more to "support and protect" BAME communities from the virus.

Sad isnt it , picking and looking for a negative angled view on absolutely everything regardless of its priority , let them whinge Dave ..............................there time is a coming ..............Cummings will see to that

 

[Dan!]

I think I saw an advert for solar saying that you get 5p per kWh now! @Dan! will know precisely.

Depends when the system was installed. As mentioned, early adopters got the best deal and now thanks to inflation they will be being paid around 70p for combined generation and export.

Now the best option is to install a heat pump and get a grant of up to £12,800 back over 7 years. Once again early adopters will get the best deal as this inventive is dropping to £4,000 in march 2022.

Systems can cost anywhere between £12-18k depending on size of house and any additional requirements, such as upgraded radiators.

Btw... I sell heat pumps

 

[bigbob]

Depends when the system was installed. As mentioned, early adopters got the best deal and now thanks to inflation they will be being paid around 70p for combined generation and export.

Now the best option is to install a heat pump and get a grant of up to £12,800 back over 7 years. Once again early adopters will get the best deal as this inventive is dropping to £4,000 in march 2022.

Systems can cost anywhere between £12-18k depending on size of house and any additional requirements, such as upgraded radiators.

Btw... I sell heat pumps

Yep I've got an ASHP as well, the technology for these has improved a lot of late. Great industry that you are in.

 

[midlifecrisis]

Depends when the system was installed. As mentioned, early adopters got the best deal and now thanks to inflation they will be being paid around 70p for combined generation and export.

Now the best option is to install a heat pump and get a grant of up to £12,800 back over 7 years. Once again early adopters will get the best deal as this inventive is dropping to £4,000 in march 2022.

Systems can cost anywhere between £12-18k depending on size of house and any additional requirements, such as upgraded radiators.

Btw... I sell heat pumps

It's perfect for those not on mains gas and want to reduce their CO2 emissions. But don't you need a large garden for the pipes? What sort of area would you need?

 

[Wanderer]

Depends when the system was installed. As mentioned, early adopters got the best deal and now thanks to inflation they will be being paid around 70p for combined generation and export.

Now the best option is to install a heat pump and get a grant of up to £12,800 back over 7 years. Once again early adopters will get the best deal as this inventive is dropping to £4,000 in march 2022.

Systems can cost anywhere between £12-18k depending on size of house and any additional requirements, such as upgraded radiators.

Btw... I sell heat pumps

I thought you owned 'Kitchen Planet' on the A416?

10,000 square feet of sheer kitchens.....

Fancy a Flav?

 

[Dan!]

It's perfect for those not on mains gas and what to reduce their CO2 emissions. But don't you need a large garden for the pipes? What sort of area would you need?

This is the biggest issue that the heat pump business faces; you're a well educated, engineering minded individual and yet ill informed - and I don't mean that in a nasty way.

There are essentially 3 different heat sources for heat pumps; air, ground, and water.

Air (ASHP) is the most straightforward.
Ground (GSHP) requires a minimum of a 1/4 of an acre to bury the pipes horizontally, or a series of bore holes to do it vertically. The cost of this is often prohibitive.
Water (WSHP) source heat pumps are great if you happen to own a river...

So ASHP are generally the way forward. But then there are 2 types of those too...
Air-to-air aka air-conditioning
Air-to-water aka boiler replacement

And then there are 2 types of air-to-water:
Monobloc and hydrosplit. Depending on how far away the hot water cylinder is from the outdoor unit, you'd either have the heated heat transfer medium for the rads/ufh and cylinder coming straight from a monobloc unit into the house, or you'd separate the process and have the refrigerant piped from the outdoor unit through to an indoor unit which then provides the heat for the heat transfer medium.

Savings can be made by changing a mains gas boiler for an ASHP, however the biggest savings will be seen in houses heated by Oil, LPG, and electric storage heaters, in that order.

It's actually very technical and interesting when it comes to correctly sizing one for a house as room by room specific heat loss calculations need to be carried out in order to spec the right unit.

If the ASHP is too small the house will never get warm and your electric bill will go through the roof, too big and it'll cost more to run, short cycle, and fail prematurely.

 

[Dan!]

I thought you owned 'Kitchen Planet' on the A416?

10,000 square feet of sheer kitchens.....

Fancy a Flav?

Kitchens are one of the few things I've not sold!
Unless of course you'd like to buy one...

 

[Wanderer]

This is the biggest issue that the heat pump business faces; you're a well educated, engineering minded individual and yet ill informed - and I don't mean that in a nasty way.

There are essentially 3 different heat sources for heat pumps; air, ground, and water.

Air (ASHP) is the most straightforward.
Ground (GSHP) requires a minimum of a 1/4 of an acre to bury the pipes horizontally, or a series of bore holes to do it vertically. The cost of this is often prohibitive.
Water (WSHP) source heat pumps are great if you happen to own a river...

So ASHP are generally the way forward. But then there are 2 types of those too...
Air-to-air aka air-conditioning
Air-to-water aka boiler replacement

And then there are 2 types of air-to-water:
Monobloc and hydrosplit. Depending on how far away the hot water cylinder is from the outdoor unit, you'd either have the heated heat transfer medium for the rads/ufh and cylinder coming straight from a monobloc unit into the house, or you'd separate the process and have the refrigerant piped from the outdoor unit through to an indoor unit which then provides the heat for the heat transfer medium.

Savings can be made by changing a mains gas boiler for an ASHP, however the biggest savings will be seen in houses heated by Oil, LPG, and electric storage heaters, in that order.

It's actually very technical and interesting when it comes to correctly sizing one for a house as room by room specific heat loss calculations need to be carried out in order to spec the right unit.

If the ASHP is too small the house will never get warm and your electric bill will go through the roof, too big and it'll cost more to run, short cycle, and fail prematurely.

When I lived in rural Scotland I had oil heating and it cost a fortune! £460 a month over winter......

 

[Dan!]

When I lived in rural Scotland I had oil heating and it cost a fortune! £460 a month over winter......

Bigbob probably spends that amount per year to heat his house with ASHP and PV

 

[bigbob]

Bigbob probably spends that amount per year to heat his house with ASHP and PV

Having a modern house and underfloor heating keeps it down a tad! Friends with Victorian houses up here just give up and wear another sweater/buy another large dog.

 

[Silvercat]

This is the biggest issue that the heat pump business faces; you're a well educated, engineering minded individual and yet ill informed - and I don't mean that in a nasty way.

There are essentially 3 different heat sources for heat pumps; air, ground, and water.

Air (ASHP) is the most straightforward.
Ground (GSHP) requires a minimum of a 1/4 of an acre to bury the pipes horizontally, or a series of bore holes to do it vertically. The cost of this is often prohibitive.
Water (WSHP) source heat pumps are great if you happen to own a river...

So ASHP are generally the way forward. But then there are 2 types of those too...
Air-to-air aka air-conditioning
Air-to-water aka boiler replacement

And then there are 2 types of air-to-water:
Monobloc and hydrosplit. Depending on how far away the hot water cylinder is from the outdoor unit, you'd either have the heated heat transfer medium for the rads/ufh and cylinder coming straight from a monobloc unit into the house, or you'd separate the process and have the refrigerant piped from the outdoor unit through to an indoor unit which then provides the heat for the heat transfer medium.

Savings can be made by changing a mains gas boiler for an ASHP, however the biggest savings will be seen in houses heated by Oil, LPG, and electric storage heaters, in that order.

It's actually very technical and interesting when it comes to correctly sizing one for a house as room by room specific heat loss calculations need to be carried out in order to spec the right unit.

If the ASHP is too small the house will never get warm and your electric bill will go through the roof, too big and it'll cost more to run, short cycle, and fail prematurely.

I had a look at these alternatives 7 years ago, when I had to put a new central heating system into a 3 story, Victorian Old Vicarage (built of stone). When working out the numbers with my plumber, the business case just didn't stack up. Instead I had installed a high efficiency (95%) oil fired boiler system (70 KW output) with x27 large double radiators, new water system etc...cost me £13.5k at the time. Sounds a lot of radiators but I had some really big rooms to heat up with 14ft high ceilings. But when it was done it transformed the place. So my advice is do the business case first of all, including how long you think you may stay in the property for and then decide.

 

[GeoffCapes]

I had a look at these alternatives 7 years ago, when I had to put a new central heating system into a 3 story, Victorian Old Vicarage (built of stone). When working out the numbers with my plumber, the business case just didn't stack up. Instead I had installed a high efficiency (95%) oil fired boiler system (70 KW output) with x27 large double radiators, new water system etc...cost me £13.5k at the time. Sounds a lot of radiators but I had some really big rooms to heat up with 14ft high ceilings. But when it was done it transformed the place. So my advice is do the business case first of all, including how long you think you may stay in the property for and then decide.

Most (I'll exclude Dan from this) salesmen/women, will tell you how much you will save a year rather than tell you the Return on Investment (ROI).

My mother in law was convinced by a guy over the phone to have an ASHP installed in the bungalow she lives in.
It gave a 17 year ROI. She's 70.

I got her to cancel the cheque deposit she'd sent off. She then had the sales guy ringing her up abusing her for going back on her word.
Awful bloke. So I spoke to him, he abused me as well, until I told him I knew exactly where his office was and would he like to say it to my face? As I could be there in an hour (it was right close to my parents).

He declined, and I then suggested a bunch of flowers to the MiL by way of an apology would be a good idea.

She got the flowers. He got a load of spam emails into his inbox for months!

 

[Silvercat]

When I lived in rural Scotland I had oil heating and it cost a fortune! £460 a month over winter......

Our oil fired heating consumes between 5500 and 7000 litres of oil per year (depending on how cold the winter is) but that includes running an oil fired AGA 6 months of the year which consumes oil at a rate of around 100 litres per week. It drinks it like water ....unreal!
So what we do is when its really cold we supplement the general heating with 3 multstove wood burners to save on the oil consumption. They chuck out an awful lot of heat when fired up so best thing we ever did.

 

[Dan!]

I had a look at these alternatives 7 years ago, when I had to put a new central heating system into a 3 story, Victorian Old Vicarage (built of stone). When working out the numbers with my plumber, the business case just didn't stack up. Instead I had installed a high efficiency (95%) oil fired boiler system (70 KW output) with x27 large double radiators, new water system etc...cost me £13.5k at the time. Sounds a lot of radiators but I had some really big rooms to heat up with 14ft high ceilings. But when it was done it transformed the place. So my advice is do the business case first of all, including how long you think you may stay in the property for and then decide.

Agreed, you need to do the numbers.

For a house such as yours insulation would be key to even considering a heat pump, because if the heat is leaking out quicker than it goes in, it won't work.
That said, if it's well insulated a suitable ASHP install could be twice the price of what you paid... but, you'd get £12,800 back and reduced fuel costs.
As a result break even point could be somewhere between 7-10 years and from then on wards the gap between the two gets bigger as every year passes.

There's no blanket answer, each house needs to be looked at on a case by case basis. And as you rightly say, how long you stay in the house can be a big factor.

 

[Silvercat]

Agreed, you need to do the numbers.

For a house such as yours insulation would be key to even considering a heat pump, because if the heat is leaking out quicker than it goes in, it won't work.
That said, if it's well insulated a suitable ASHP install could be twice the price of what you paid... but, you'd get £12,800 back and reduced fuel costs.
As a result break even point could be somewhere between 7-10 years and from then on wards the gap between the two gets bigger as every year passes.

There's no blanket answer, each house needs to be looked at on a case by case basis. And as you rightly say, how long you stay in the house can be a big factor.

Spot on. We have 9ftx4.5ft Victorian sash windows which are single glazed (original Victorian wobbly glass) so we do lose a lot of heat through these. Other than the roof, its not well insulated and walls still have their original lath and lime plaster. So can't even insulate these without spending a fortunate lining every wall. All the internal walls are 2ft thick stone which also act as a heat sink which doesn't help keep the heating costs down. But fortunately the house has many other redeeming features which makes it worthwhile.