Are you worried yet.

[Nibby]

UKG needs to stop * footing around and get on with the lock down...we all know that's what needs to be done so they need to get on with it!

A lot of us are heeding the advice the government are dishing out unfortunately some members of the public are behaving like total tosspots with their greed and no regard for the elderly and frail, if the government does have to get strict expect a load of complaints that people's civil liberties have been removed by the normal morons that roam this island.

 

[MarkMas]

He didn't rinse Piers Morgan, it was the other way round.
Jason Leitch is part of the problem, complacency like that will kill people. NO DOUBT.

Well it depends on how you view rinsing:

Piers yelled "Are you crazy? We are all gonna die! How can you disagree with Nicola Sturgeon when she is agreeing with me? You are a fool, because I KNOW I'm right due to my common sense!"
Jason said "Well, I'm a medically-qualified expert, who has studied this carefully, and I know what I am talking about, and you are just a a big-mouthed pundit."

 

[philw696]

Politicians who campaigned for Leave shocked that people won’t listen to experts

Key figures of the Leave campaign such as Michael Gove and Boris Johnson are perplexed that the people that voted to stick two fingers up to experts and the government are now ignoring the social d…

newsthump.com

 

[Wack61]

You want disgraceful................try this. There are no words available to me.

Holes drilled in tyres as six ambulances attacked

Under-pressure paramedics on the frontline of the fight against coronavirus discovered a fleet of ambulances damaged this morning.

www.kentonline.co.uk

I genuinely think they should bring in emergency measures to deal with **** like this

I'm so ******* angry at that story , I hope the get CV19 and die a painful death , but they probably won't

 

[MarkMas]

He didn't rinse Piers Morgan, it was the other way round.
Jason Leitch is part of the problem, complacency like that will kill people. NO DOUBT.

Oh, and yes, I agree that the absence of a total lock-down will indeed kill people, all the forecasts show this, as a partial lock-down will expose some people to infection and some of those will die. So the armchair pundits use their 'common sense' to say, "We must have a lock down now, and this complacency is obviously bad. And they are egged on by people like Piers who make their living by spinning up that sort of outrage. And some expert epidemiologists also agree with them.

BUT that is not the point. The point is that other reputable forecasts show that a total lock-down briefly contains the infection rate, and then, because it is always imperfect, this period of respite is followed by a more catastrophic outbreak. There is also a balance to be struck between action and preparation time, and a judgement to be made about the pace of treatment and vaccine developments. So there are credible reasons to have a partial lock-down strategy, and this is not stupidity or complacency, but a plan.

So the 'do everything now' people would definitely save a few lives next month because its 'obvious' what to do, and yet could end up killing many more people over the months to come, as the second wave sweeps over a slightly better prepared (but also exhausted and non-compliant) nation.

I'm not saying one side of this argument is definitely right and the other is definitely wrong; I'm saying there are different opinions on what is the best approach to take, for the whole population over the medium term. I'm not aware of anybody on this forum who is appropriately qualified to make an informed judgement on this. But having NO DOUBT is not data, its just opinion. (Which everyone is entitled to have and express.)

 

[Phil the Brit]

Well it depends on how you view rinsing:

Piers yelled "Are you crazy? We are all gonna die! How can you disagree with Nicola Sturgeon when she is agreeing with me? You are a fool, because I KNOW I'm right due to my common sense!"
Jason said "Well, I'm a medically-qualified expert, who has studied this carefully, and I know what I am talking about, and you are just a a big-mouthed pundit."

Leitch is an idiot, he tried to justify his wife going to an event last week attended by 12000 people, when asked if he would have gone this weekend he said YES.
Is that stupid or what?
Piers, quite rightly called him out. He said he had not got a PHD just a degree in common sense.

 

[MarkMas]

I genuinely think they should bring in emergency measures to deal with **** like this

I'm so *** angry at that story , I hope the get CV19 and die a painful death , but they probably won't

I'm a bit angry about this too, but what sort of emergency measures would be effective and proportionate? Deploy the army to guard every ambulance station? Make any kind of attack on a medical facility punishable by 10 years? Ban the sale of drills? The trouble is that bad people do bad things, but 'dealing with' the bad people risks making life worse for everybody.

 

[Rwc13]

Wouldn’t it be nice if people spent more time on the “Self isolation.......the positives” thread talking about all the constructive and positive things they are doing with their time in their communities and at home, instead of wasting their time on this thread spreading misinformation and slagging people off. How is this helping anyone? If you are so indignant about some of the behaviour out there, go and do something about it!

 

[MarkMas]

Politicians who campaigned for Leave shocked that people won’t listen to experts

Key figures of the Leave campaign such as Michael Gove and Boris Johnson are perplexed that the people that voted to stick two fingers up to experts and the government are now ignoring the social d…

newsthump.com

Yeah, there was some undermining of the authority of 'experts' during the campaign, but then again the Remain 'experts' were economic forecasters who have absolutely record of being able to forecast anything, and as it turns out were completely wrong in their predictions for the economics after the vote. And actually it was Remain that took on Gove's silly remark and made it into a referendum on 'trust the experts' or 'trust your gut'. We chose 'trust your gut' rightly in that case, as political philosophy was more important to the voters than 'economic forecasting'.

Epidemiologists and virologists are real experts, however, and it is unfortunate that Remain trained us to disbelieve people like that.

 

[lifes2short]

go and do something about it!

good advice, im going to sign up to my local vigilante group

 

[MarkMas]

good advice, im going to sign up to my local vigilante group

 

[lifes2short]

 

[lozcb]

good advice, im going to sign up to my local vigilante group

Classic

 

[Phil the Brit]

Wouldn’t it be nice if people spent more time on the “Self isolation.......the positives” thread talking about all the constructive and positive things they are doing with their time in their communities and at home, instead of wasting their time on this thread spreading misinformation and slagging people off. How is this helping anyone? If you are so indignant about some of the behaviour out there, go and do something about it!

Positive public awareness of what is going on............. is King. Our top politicians are making positive decisions on what is currently going on with the stupid people of this country. The poster above with the vigilante group idea sounds good to me.

 

[Wack61]

I'm a bit angry about this too, but what sort of emergency measures would be effective and proportionate? Deploy the army to guard every ambulance station? Make any kind of attack on a medical facility punishable by 10 years? Ban the sale of drills? The trouble is that bad people do bad things, but 'dealing with' the bad people risks making life worse for everybody.

A cull

 

[Silvercat]

Did you also watch Professor Jason Leitch, Scotland’s national clinical director absolutely rinse Piers Morgan?
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/piers-morgan-susanna-reid-on-coronavirus-1-6564167

Suggesting Piers should be Health Secretary, is basically wanting someone to be in charge who is skilled at fluently expressing as a certainty what you already happen to believe, rather than someone who is capable of listening to the advice of actual experts with actual knowledge.

Although everybody in Whitehall knows that Matt Hancock is an idiot, which is why he is being kept out of the decision-making .

Good points.

 

[Silvercat]

A lot of us are heeding the advice the government are dishing out unfortunately some members of the public are behaving like total tosspots with their greed and no regard for the elderly and frail, if the government does have to get strict expect a load of complaints that people's civil liberties have been removed by the normal morons that roam this island.

The price of protecting out health and our futures.

 

[Geo]

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Steady on there Phil, my old Vectra is the second best value car I ever bought 50,000 miles age for £2900. My best value car at £150 (four years old) for both performance and miles covered was my N600 Honda!

 

[MarkMas]

A cull

Well, sure, I'm all for that, so long as I am the one who decides who gets culled. The trouble is that it doesn't really work that way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...

 

[MarkMas]

....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...

Do I get some sort of prize?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law