A serious question for Maserati dealers and indies

[urbanmaser]

Are there any Maserati dealers or indies that can give me a plausable answer to a simple question???????

If the Granturismo 4.2 has the identical engine to the Gransport / 4200GT why does the Granturismo have to be seviced every two years against the Gransport and 4200 which have to be done on an annual basis????????

It begs the question are we wasting our money on annual services whereas the Granturismo maybe every two years to promote sales??????

I can except that other parts of the car have changed but basically the engine is the same.

Sensible answers only

 

[Parisien]

Good one UM....................but with oil and filter changes being so vital to high performance engine, doing those two things regularly must be in the interests of owners and cars!


P

 

[urbanmaser]

Good one UM....................but with oil and filter changes being so vital to high performance engine, doing those two things regularly must be in the interests of owners and cars!


P

I agree Frank but I still wanna know why there is one rule fror the Granturismo and another rule for 4200 and Gransport when they share the same engine

 

[lozcb]

Fair question Urby ,I imagine when the service schedules were originally set , the reliability of the 4200 was unproven , history of the 3200 like a yoyo , so may be they aired on the side of caution and went over the top , increased revenues for them and maintained quality whilst assuring reliabilty was constantly being monitored, now some years down the line the 4200 engine has proven reliability they can afford to relax that there will be no unknown issues with later engines , i reckon they could just do with mileage servicing

regards loz

 

[urbanmaser]

Fair question Urby ,I imagine when the service schedules were originally set , the reliability of the 4200 was unproven , history of the 3200 like a yoyo , so may be they aired on the side of caution and went over the top , increased revenues for them and maintained quality whilst assuring reliabilty was constantly being monitored, now some years down the line the 4200 engine has proven reliability they can afford to relax that there will be no unknown issues with later engines , i reckon they could just do with mileage servicing

regards loz

So why not come out and announce a change to 4200/Gransport reccomended service intervals perhaps issuing new sevice books. No harm in changing policy. At the end of the day Alfa Romeo used to recommend much longer intervals for cam belt changes but then revised their recommendation to much shorter intervals. Why recommend to your customers something which they now have come to the conclusion is unnecessary. ?????

 

[Parisien]

But Loz.......nearly all the problems encountered with the 3200 were engine management and ancillaries.......no real mention of the engines giving bother, indeed the 4200, touch wood has been the paragon of virtue in this respect.

I'd still err on side of caution......

P

 

[lozcb]

So why not come out and announce a change to 4200/Gransport reccomended service intervals perhaps issuing new sevice books. No harm in changing policy. At the end of the day Alfa Romeo used to recommend much longer intervals for cam belt changes but then revised their recommendation to much shorter intervals. Why recommend to your customers something which they now have come to the conclusion is unnecessary. ?????

Revenues Urby , think how much the likes of Owens and Marranello, Graypaul, Carrs , Lancasters , Dicklovets would lose 100's of thousands over a year


And after your recent experience Two K of yours aswell ehhehe




regards loz

 

[urbanmaser]

Revenues Urby , think how much the likes of Owens and Marranello, Graypaul, Carrs , Lancasters , Dicklovets would lose 100's of thousands over a year


And after your recent experience Two K of yours aswell ehhehe








regards loz

Loz that is your opinion and mine but I would like to hear from the horse's mouth so I the invitaion still stands for the dealers and indies to answer the question. How about it Myles ..... you could start the ball rolling???

 

[lozcb]

In honesty now Urby they still wouldn't admit it seeing as all the gransports are virtually out of warranty , it was a concern for them when cars are in warranty , i dont know if you can recall a while back where it was impossible to get hold of an extended warranty , about 18 months 2 years ago , just when i bought my GS , they stopped doing them because they all had to be re written partly because Ferrari had separated from Maserati and because of the diffrence in scheduled servicing


regards loz

 

[urbanmaser]

I just wanna hear a dealer or indie tell me that. Maybe they have a legitimate answer

 

[DaveT]

In my experience guys the shift from 1 yr to 2 yr servicing is generally much more to do with competitve pressures than engine reliability.

Working a lot with mainstream manufacturers (different I know) the extended service intervals we now know could have come in much earlier as the engines were robust enough in most cases - it just took one manufacturer to jump and the rest followed.
Not sure how the intervals stack up against Porsche, Jag et al but that may have something to do with it.

While annual is the norm they will stick to that but when one goes two years the rest follow.
I don't know of any manufacturer who has done the retrospective you suggest Urby for reasons others have picked up on.

 

[safrane]

Quotes from Emblem's web-site.

GranTurismo - GranTurismo S - GranCabrio
The first Maserati range to have a two year service interval and mileage intervals every 12,500 miles, common for both the 4.2 and 4.7 litre engines bringing service intervals in line with competing manufacturers. The GT range is the first Maserati to use Shell lubricants in all components, moving it in line with Ferrari models.

 

[Emtee]

I know the 4.2 is basically the same engine, but have any of the materials been changed / improved? Have methods of manufacture and build been improved / more closely measured? I'm guessing my engine (or its components) was made maybe 8 years ago. Automotive engineering processes have changed a lot in that time.

Just a thought?.......

Em.

 

[DaveT]

I know the 4.2 is basically the same engine, but have any of the materials been changed / improved? Have methods of manufacture and build been improved / more closely measured? I'm guessing my engine (or its components) was made maybe 8 years ago. Automotive engineering processes have changed a lot in that time.

Just a thought?.......

Em.

Miles

I think it's probably a combination of all the posts!

PS Got the motor back yet? Mine is going in Monday.

 

[Emtee]

Miles

I think it's probably a combination of all the posts!

PS Got the motor back yet? Mine is going in Monday.

Hoping to get it back on Friday Dave, but it's touch and go I think. Popped in today to chat to Geoff and he's on the case, but getting at the Pressure relief valve is a p!g of a job, so it's slow going. Also needed to chat to Matt about having her re-sprayed and detailed ahead of Bristol, so I suspect I'll have her back for a week or two and then she'll be back at Shiltech again!

What's yours in for? Nothing untoward I hope?

Cheers, Miles.

 

[Andrea]

Urby - i am out and about over the next two days in and out of dealers - if i remember i will ask your question?

 

[dem maser]

they will say ask maserati.......dealers follow what they are told to do........i do believe you can go 2 years on the GS but its selling it.....new buyers would think you just neglected the car

 

[urbanmaser]

If it is the same engine then just think of what 5 or six years of ownership is costing you in added servicing and yes I know we will be like sheep and follow what we are told to do just in the name of saying our supercars are servoced up to date........sad isn't it?

 

[DaveT]

Hoping to get it back on Friday Dave, but it's touch and go I think. Popped in today to chat to Geoff and he's on the case, but getting at the Pressure relief valve is a p!g of a job, so it's slow going. Also needed to chat to Matt about having her re-sprayed and detailed ahead of Bristol, so I suspect I'll have her back for a week or two and then she'll be back at Shiltech again!

What's yours in for? Nothing untoward I hope?

Cheers, Miles.

31k service and an MOT. A few minor things to check out a well but shouldn't be too bad I think.

Cheers

 

[Andrea]

Bang on Miles, spoke to Darrell at Dick Lovett on thursday and asked your question Urby, the technology has moved on and they are not the same engines... Hope that helps...