A Ghibli For The Day

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Those nice chaps at Marshall have leant me this for the day while my GTS is in for the air con compressor.

It's a bog standard diesel with no extras but I have to say for the 30 minutes I have driven it so far, it's good. I'm very impressed with the auto box - silky smooth and with the sport button engaged, the engine feels pretty free revving and not at all sluggish. It was cold when I picked it up this morning having not been driven since yesterday and after 10 minutes or so, it felt good. I don't like the sequential option at all on the auto box, that does not do it for me but overall so far, I'm impressed for a sub £50k car

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I love it how they plaster the finance deal on the side! :)

Good car mate, enjoy it! It will only make your GT feel even better when you get it back!
 

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Still of the opinion the Ghibli should have been an Alfa Romeo 166 replacement.

Understand the reasoning of expanding the Trident sales base.

Did it work though to the level top brass had hoped for?

Not convinced.
 

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There are some QP diesels on trade mail for £40k with few k miles on, I guess depreciation is hitting them hard.
 

StuartW

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There are some QP diesels on trade mail for £40k with few k miles on, I guess depreciation is hitting them hard.

That's an awful lot of car for your money. They're cheap to start with and on first impressions, it feels very well put together
 

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Still of the opinion the Ghibli should have been an Alfa Romeo 166 replacement.

Understand the reasoning of expanding the Trident sales base.

Did it work though to the level top brass had hoped for?

Not convinced.

At what price point? With compromised quality to achieve a lower price? How many would you then expect them to sell? I reckon more Ghiblis have been sold than Alfa 166s.
 

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Still of the opinion the Ghibli should have been an Alfa Romeo 166 replacement.

Understand the reasoning of expanding the Trident sales base.

Did it work though to the level top brass had hoped for?

Not convinced.

This would make it an Alfa that is so far and away ahead in quality of anything they have produced before.
In fact in respect of quality and features the Ghibli probably represents the high water mark in Maserati's current line up. The QP is a less attractive elongated Ghibli, and the GT range is now hopelessly out of date and uncompetitive against all its natural competition.
As I have said before only the success of cars like the Ghibli and upcoming Levente can there be any possibility of a future for the brand. Selling a handful of coupes and convertibles to a dwindling number of rose tinted buyers, isn't even going to fund a infotainment system that befits an 80 grand car like the GT.
I think the Alferi (forgive my spelling) could be the answer for a replacement, and maybe re-launch the GT further up market to rival the likes of the Aston DB and Bentley GT in the future if funds and engineering ability for such a car allow.
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Keith
 

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The Ghibli is a good looking car but very mixed reviews.....As long as it sells and makes money for Maserati that has to be a good thing.....

Must say the wheels look far too small on the white demo car...
 

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Factory shut downs clearly show its not selling as well as expected and production is above demand.
 

StuartW

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This would make it an Alfa that is so far and away ahead in quality of anything they have produced before.
In fact in respect of quality and features the Ghibli probably represents the high water mark in Maserati's current line up. The QP is a less attractive elongated Ghibli, and the GT range is now hopelessly out of date and uncompetitive against all its natural competition.
As I have said before only the success of cars like the Ghibli and upcoming Levente can there be any possibility of a future for the brand. Selling a handful of coupes and convertibles to a dwindling number of rose tinted buyers, isn't even going to fund a infotainment system that befits an 80 grand car like the GT.
I think the Alferi (forgive my spelling) could be the answer for a replacement, and maybe re-launch the GT further up market to rival the likes of the Aston DB and Bentley GT in the future if funds and engineering ability for such a car allow.
Regards
Keith

Well Keith, I was very happy to get back into my hand built out of date GT when I returned the Ghibli this afternoon. I donned my rose tinted specs and was away, driving the best sounding & still one of the best looking cars available. My rose tinted glasses weren't so dark that I could not appreciate the hand built quality of the interior which for me is superior to the Ghibli but then I guess it would be seeing as the car cost almost twice as much as the Ghibli.
Whilst I enjoyed the Ghibli for the day & think it is a very decent & capable car with excellent handling, it is a very different car to the GT which remains such an occasion each time you drive it.
 

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Well Keith, I was very happy to get back into my hand built out of date GT when I returned the Ghibli this afternoon. I donned my rose tinted specs and was away, driving the best sounding & still one of the best looking cars available. My rose tinted glasses weren't so dark that I could not appreciate the hand built quality of the interior which for me is superior to the Ghibli but then I guess it would be seeing as the car cost almost twice as much as the Ghibli.
Whilst I enjoyed the Ghibli for the day & think it is a very decent & capable car with excellent handling, it is a very different car to the GT which remains such an occasion each time you drive it.

For a £50-60k car the Ghibli is fine. I know I am stating the obvious but the GranTurismo is £90-110k so very different.

Agree with keith in that the infomatics on the GranTurismo are out of date but the TMC still works fine and I never bought mine for all this stuff. In fact it felt old when I ordered it 4.5 years ago. Thing is where else can you get a leather clad, rare, four seater great looking coupe with a n/a V8 and a noise to die for?

Only the AM Rapide comes close and it's a price point up (hence the V12) and looks slighty odd.
 

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Well Keith, I was very happy to get back into my hand built out of date GT when I returned the Ghibli this afternoon. I donned my rose tinted specs and was away, driving the best sounding & still one of the best looking cars available. My rose tinted glasses weren't so dark that I could not appreciate the hand built quality of the interior which for me is superior to the Ghibli but then I guess it would be seeing as the car cost almost twice as much as the Ghibli.
Whilst I enjoyed the Ghibli for the day & think it is a very decent & capable car with excellent handling, it is a very different car to the GT which remains such an occasion each time you drive it.

Brilliantly said.

Must order another pair of rose tinted glasses myself.

Having too much enjoyment from GT ownership without them.
 

keith

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Well Keith, I was very happy to get back into my hand built out of date GT when I returned the Ghibli this afternoon. I donned my rose tinted specs and was away, driving the best sounding & still one of the best looking cars available. My rose tinted glasses weren't so dark that I could not appreciate the hand built quality of the interior which for me is superior to the Ghibli but then I guess it would be seeing as the car cost almost twice as much as the Ghibli.
Whilst I enjoyed the Ghibli for the day & think it is a very decent & capable car with excellent handling, it is a very different car to the GT which remains such an occasion each time you drive it.

Absolutely right, the GT has a superbly finished cabin, and still after all these years in production head turning looks. However whilst I am not aware of the precise annual sales, I think its somewhere around a similar number of units to vehicles at a much higher price point such as those I mentioned in my previous post. The GT's main rivals are not Bentleys or Aston Martins, they are top end Mercedes SL's or BMW 6 Series. Against which the current model cannot hope to compete in terms of dynamics engineering or technology.
So whilst I use the 'tongue in cheek' expression 'rose tinted...' this was meant to serve as an example that it falls between two stools - the high tech German marques, and the top end prestige marques.
The truth is Maserati is a top end executive brand, which offers a greater degree of hand finish. The Ferrari engine 'thing' is a great selling point, however if you look at the petrol V6, whilst this is manufactured in a Ferrari plant, its design was from Maserati, or more likely from a group of engineers sourced from across Fiat Chrysler, with a brief to produce a unit which could be used by Maserati for their new models, and adapted for use in as many other applications as possible such as Alfa. And I am also guessing the reason why Ferrari produce it, is because Maserati have no engine manufacturing facility of their own. The V8 being already used and readily available from Ferrari found its way into Maserati's for probably the same reason. Likewise the diesel, which the subsidiary, VM Motori, had been producing is such a sensible idea, as with some modification it provides a modern cost effective solution for its requirements in the Ghibli.
Interestingly, in conclusion, I too also feel a sense of occasion when I drive my relatively cheap diesel Ghibli (although for me £68,000 with options is a considerable amount of money), which is probably what the manufacturer was hoping to achieve with this car, which you don't get with a BMW. Perhaps almost the same as you in your double the price GT.
Thanks for the interesting debate, and I am sure we all read these comments in the friendly manner in which they are intended.
Best regards
Keith
 

StuartW

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Yes, absolutely Keith - I always have a smile on my face when discussing Maseratis and a healthy debate should be welcomed in such subjective fields as engineering and design.
Cheers
 

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What a good debate, maybe I should move brand to a AM or Bentley?

Nah what am I thinking , I feel I am betraying the trident brand! :)