4200 F1 Clutch - buy a new one or try a remanufacture?

[Jezbraker]

Thanks for the comments folks. I think if it were a few hundred quid I'd we willing to give it a crack - but for the sake of a few hundred more for new unit its no enough of a benefit for something so liable to end badly

IIRC it'll have to be trailered to somebody with an SD3 to set it up once it's fitted so I'd make sure they're willing to do that if you're planning on fitting it yourself

I've got a launch to sort that

 

[Jezbraker]

So existing clutch is out!
Really wasn’t to bad a job even with the car only being a couple of foot of the floor. Torque tube is fun to remove on one’s lonesome I would not advise using your own body on a creeper to “lower it” - especially if your gonna try for children at some point

 

[Oneball]

Excellent effort

 

[FIFTY]

Another flywheel that looks as ruined as the one that came out of my car

Check your torque tube bearings for play while it's out!!

https://www.sportsmaserati.com/index.php?threads/the-torque-tube-restoration-thread-4200-gs-spyder.34437/

 

[giorgio01]

Another flywheel that looks as ruined as the one that came out of my car

Check your torque tube bearings for play while it's out!!

https://www.sportsmaserati.com/index.php?threads/the-torque-tube-restoration-thread-4200-gs-spyder.34437/

Mine looked the same, but after skimming is like new now.

 

[giorgio01]

So existing clutch is out!
Really wasn’t to bad a job even with the car only being a couple of foot of the floor. Torque tube is fun to remove on one’s lonesome I would not advise using your own body on a creeper to “lower it” - especially if your gonna try for children at some point

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Hi,
Sorry slightly off topic but I was thinking about quick jack as well, how much clearance can you get between the car floor and garage floor and is it stable side to side? I would really appreciate your opinion. Thanks

 

[Jezbraker]

So my clutch and flywheel are off being sorted... in the interests of of good thread I'm going to give the resurface a crack

Removal was such a simple task it just seems worth a pop!

QuickJack - with the small rubber blocks it lifts to about 45cm. I'm guessing this job is about the worst you can try in your own garage and for me this was high enough without going down the truck chassis lifters or blocking up or sticking scaf boards under - all suggestions from other QuickJack users I've seen on various forums It can lift from a fairly low chassis height and my mas is stock so basically a 4x4 in ride height so could prob get quite a bit higher if needed. As for the side to side... its got very little sway. I personally lob a couple of big axel stands under them as habit - these ones are the 2200kg so perhaps a little chunkier than the 1500kg jobbies that I read a lotus guy felt had a bit too much wobble! (model https://www.quickjacklift.co.uk/car-lifts/bl-5000slx/)
can' believe I've done so many years without it - racing/trackdays/diy tinkering yada yada. Also Car Transporter Trailer logic applies... if you have the room and 1k or so spare - its highly unlikely you'd loose money on a used one in decent nick as hold value.

Fly wheel... since removing can't get this out my head...

"what's a hot spot not?"

 

[Nibby]

Removal was such a simple task

I got charged £600 to do the job after having a noisy release bearing, I supplied the release bearing and pilot bearing, stayed with my half worn clutch at 70k miles.
Had my overdrive go on my Triumph Stag, the general consensus was replace clutch whilst your there so ended up replacing the whole lot, out went the less than half worn Laycock clutch and none noisy release bearing, in went a brand new Borg And Beck clutch with a supposed uprated release bearing made by Toyo bought from a Stag specialist, outcome was a clutch that was a lot worse and a release bearing totally wrong as the Toyo bearing was made to run on the clutch all the time I later found out, not what you want on a stag clutch. On the Maserati I nearly bought the Hills uprated release bearing which seems to be prone to premature failure and knowing me I would’ve bought a new clutch from the dodgy batch and it could’ve been deja vu for me, I stuck with a standard Maserati release bearing and pilot bearing and my half worn clutch so a grand sorted the whole problem out.
Mine is a manual car so got away without the computer set-up neede on the CC cars.

 

[Jezbraker]

So clutch is back and installed - done about 50 miles of gently gently so far - and so far it’s behaving like a clutch.

Pilot bearing bread thing worked a treat

PIS at 4.7 seems to be giving a decent change for bimbelling about - and once I’ve got some more miles on her will have a proper play at setup.

 

[Oneball]

Well done, nice to see some home spannering.

 

[giorgio01]

So clutch is back and installed - done about 50 miles of gently gently so far - and so far it’s behaving like a clutch.

Pilot bearing bread thing worked a treat

PIS at 4.7 seems to be giving a decent change for bimbelling about - and once I’ve got some more miles on her will have a proper play at setup.

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I knew it'll work, because why not? Unless something else was faulty like f1 sensor or a pump. Well done. If I would have a CC I would go the same route. Once again well done, now enjoy it.

 

[CatmanV2]

I knew it'll work, because why not?

Because friction material.

I hope it does work, so fingers crossed

C

 

[philw696]

Fair-play @Jezbraker respect to you doing that in a tight space.
Guessing you have X431?
Was it easy to set up ?
Regards,
Phil

 

[Jezbraker]

So little update. I'm now at just over 1k miles on the clutch.
At the end of the 500 at low revs etc I had a another tweak at the PIS - happiest at 4.2 which is odly what is was set at on the old clutch!
Yes @philw696 - I had an x431 ordered the same week I bought her home... very useful for all our cars in fact having reset the oil light on the mrs's alfa and run a DPF regen on our old Mondeo runabout as well as the maser stuff.
So back to driving it like normal now and touch wood it's just as before.
Will keep a close eye on the wear numbers but so far so good!

Not going to recommend to others at this stage of course - need another 20k miles at least before can say it's a worthwhile option... and at 14mpg @ £1.80 pl she won't be perhaps quite getting the exercise I'd originally planned!

But just as FYI for the record I used these guys http://orcaclutch.co.uk/performance-car/

 

[CatmanV2]

Nice to see a positive result. Even if, as you say, not exactly cut and dried as yet.

C

 

[A.S. Motorsport]

I'd be very interested to hear long term.
Number one issue we've learned with properly resurfaced clutches is diaphragm snapping at 50% clutch (it's just not designed to be used for more than one clutch)

 

[Jezbraker]

yea makes sense. i guess this could well all come down to luck of the draw... I mean you hear all the time of things going the day after the warranty expires through to things lasting 4 fold past the design life... and again I 100% would not be going this route if id just spanked a multi k to have some one install it - this really is a DIY only thing even with man maths - and even then I see the factory clutch on eurospares fluctuates between 1200 and 800 quid - and at 800 its practically a no brainer to just replace as only a few hundred more than refurb (although new is now 900+vat on es) or they have "used" for £500 which sounds quite a punt as it's the refurb cost. I guess with these things being so relatively rare, typically not self maintained and typically low miles with short ownership periods its hard to really gauge. in the interests of science i shall endeavour to keep the miles racking up on her - its a good excuse... the wife is already despairing as I'm adamant we are taking it on a three night camping trip to cornwall with 2 kids and the dog... "it'll all fit I'm sure"