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Tallman said:
That’s not how it works though, towards the end of the VSC period, once the track is clear, the drivers get an indication that the Track will go green soon, but they don‘t know exactly when. So they knew the track was clear, but they were forced to anticipate the moment which Max got wrong by 0.6 of a second. I agree with the meaningless penalties and the use of penalty points - Max getting a point for this is plain ridiculous. We need professional stewards, not a changing bunch of so-so ex drivers that have their own opinions about how racing should be and who are also demonstrably biased in some cases. Herbert comes to mind and some will say others too.
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That’s not correct he jumped the end of VSC by many seconds, 0.6s was the delta at the end of VSC after he’d slowed right down again. You fell for Horner’s smoke and mirrors.
 
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During VSC there is a rolling delta, the delta is checked at multiple times during the lap and you are not allowed to be less than delta at those checkpoints. Max was end of argument and penalty should apply, the fact he was trying to anticipate the green flag and got his timing wrong is irrelevant, 0.6 seconds in F1 is a massive time difference especially under VSC.

To the race Max drove brilliantly, he was patient when he needed to be and decisive when he had to be, great drive.
 
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Oneball said:
That’s not correct he jumped the end of VSC by many seconds, 0.6s was the delta at the end of VSC after he’d slowed right down again. You fell for Horner’s smoke and mirrors.
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If that is so then the others must have also been many seconds out as he was right behind Piastri and Norris when the VSC started and when it ended…..so that would mean Max was singled out. What is your source for this, would be an interesting read?
 
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zagatoes30 said:
During VSC there is a rolling delta, the delta is checked at multiple times during the lap and you are not allowed to be less than delta at those checkpoints. Max was end of argument and penalty should apply, the fact he was trying to anticipate the green flag and got his timing wrong is irrelevant, 0.6 seconds in F1 is a massive time difference especially under VSC.

To the race Max drove brilliantly, he was patient when he needed to be and decisive when he had to be, great drive.
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If only life and F1 were that simple. Yesterday Norris and the Mercedes drivers got a slap on the wrist fine for pretty “end of argument and penalty should apply” infringement. For the Norris /Start infringement there is a precedent for a similar situation where Doriane Pin got a 20 second penalty in the F1 Academy in March when she carried on for a lap after the cool down lap. Safety concerns are paramount in F1 and should be heavily punished as you yourself have advocated if I am correct. Stroll was still being recovered when Norris drove off so in my view he should have received a 20 second penalty.

Then Mercedes…all the other teams managed perfectly well to sort their cars out within the “shortened” period. By not taking wheels off Mercedes had an advantage. Cars get disqualified for a 1mm infringement (Hamilton) and disqualified for getting assistance (Hulkenberg). I would say these are again examples of the terrible stewarding during this GP. Herbert has been a part of too many of these bad calls and he should be retired. Time to get some Dutch and Belgian stewards on the job ;)
 
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Tallman said:
If that is so then the others must have also been many seconds out as he was right behind Piastri and Norris when the VSC started and when it ended…..so that would mean Max was singled out. What is your source for this, would be an interesting read?
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Watch for yourself, he accelerates and comes alongside the McLaren before the end of VSC, then realises and slows back down again (sector time is where the delta is, not to the car in front) If you want to be really picky he also broke the rule about distance to the car in front ;)

 
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Oneball said:
Watch for yourself, he accelerates and comes alongside the McLaren before the end of VSC, then realises and slows back down again (sector time is where the delta is, not to the car in front) If you want to be really picky he also broke the rule about distance to the car in front ;)

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The video doesn’t show in my part of the world but I watched the whole race and I have it recorded. My point was that it wasn’t seconds ;) …. I can’t argue against the penalty as it is strictly seen per the rules, however we have seen that the rules don’t apply as heavily for others two races in a row now. As I said, time for some Dutch, Belgian (and Austrian) stewards.
 
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Tallman said:
The video doesn’t show in my part of the world but I watched the whole race and I have it recorded. My point was that it wasn’t seconds ;) …. I can’t argue against the penalty as it is strictly seen per the rules, however we have seen that the rules don’t apply as heavily for others two races in a row now. As I said, time for some Dutch, Belgian (and Austrian) stewards.
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...or neutral countries, without representation in the sport. Like Canada and Mexico.
 
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...or neutral countries, without representation in the sport. Like Canada and Mexico.
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Brilliant! I don’t know how you can recover from a spin on tar to being beached in the middle of the gravel pit. I think he really did not want to get his hair wet.
 
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They only showed him in the gravel on the highlights, did he just drive into it?

I always think the sport doesnt give enough credit for not being stupid and just getting to the finish. When was the last time Max had a DNF that was his fault? Australia this year was brake failure so I reckon 2021?
 
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Oneball said:
They only showed him in the gravel on the highlights, did he just drive into it?

I always think the sport doesnt give enough credit for not being stupid and just getting to the finish. When was the last time Max had a DNF that was his fault? Australia this year was brake failure so I reckon 2021?
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Yes, he turned away from the tar and just drove staight into the gravel and made it about half way. Bizarre. The team were talking to him on what to do once he arrived on the starting grid and he just replied "beached" and that was it.
 
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Just a quick note, did anyone see the first episode of the Brawn GP story on the beeb last night. Really interesting.
 
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