RoaryRati
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From my watching Zoe's reports are often at odds with news reports - maybe Zoe is ahead of the game - it certainly was in identifying change of taste/smell was a indication of the disease.
Are you worried yet.
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I hope that's not the case. But I wouldn't be surprised.
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One thing for sure is that there are lots of people looking for work including London.
In the past is we advertised a low skilled job paying around £23k basic and expected earning of around £30k we were never swamped with applications, this week the same job attracted over a 1000 applications.
In the past is we advertised a low skilled job paying around £23k basic and expected earning of around £30k we were never swamped with applications, this week the same job attracted over a 1000 applications.
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Office of National Statistics:
July. about 1% of deaths in England and Wales showed Covid on the death certificate
Beginning of December, the most recent week for which there are numbers, 20%
Worth dusting down your NBC suit before Christmas.
July. about 1% of deaths in England and Wales showed Covid on the death certificate
Beginning of December, the most recent week for which there are numbers, 20%
Worth dusting down your NBC suit before Christmas.
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Maybe I should dig the S10 out of the loft...canisters May be out of date tho..
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Without wishing to stir things up, we seem to have rapidly developed a culture in Wales where rules like 2 hours max in a pub means 2 hrs then on to the next one. Christmas suggestions will be similarly treated.
Politically, it’s still playground stuff - no experience and no intellect. Despite all this it has been until 2020 a great place to live - even for someone half Welsh like me.
Politically, it’s still playground stuff - no experience and no intellect. Despite all this it has been until 2020 a great place to live - even for someone half Welsh like me.
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Pfizer’s test results. FDA report -Page 30 https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download
This is what leads me to the number three… because, in addition to the people who received the vaccine, another roughly 20,000 people received a placebo.
How many of them do you think ended up testing positive for Covid during the same evaluation period?
5,000?
500?
Well, out of 20,000 people who did NOT receive the vaccine, 162 of them expressed symptoms of acute respiratory illness and tested positive for COVID-19 during the evaluation period.
And out of those 162 in the placebo group who tested positive for Covid, THREE of them had ‘severe’ Covid. And only one of them was hospitalized.
(The study also clearly defines ‘severe’ Covid by a quantitative measurement of oxygen saturation. So there was no subjectivity involved.)
So from the roughly 20,000 participants who did NOT receive the vaccine, 162 (0.8%) tested positive for COVID-19 during the evaluation period. And THREE (1.9% of the positive tests) had ‘severe’ Covid. [see page 30 of the report]
Remember– this was a BIG test. Tens of thousands of people, from all walks of life, under uniform research conditions. So this is pretty pristine data.
Yet the numbers show that 98% of the people who tested positive for Covid during the evaluation period had a mild case.
It’s astonishing that they still want to shut down the economy given this data.
Now, I’m not dismissing Covid. A lot of people have suffered from it, and a lot of people have died.
But it’s absurd that COVID-19 has become a sacred, hallowed, untouchable topic that outweighs every other priority in our society.
Covid is more important than any other medical condition. It’s more important than freedom. It’s more important than our value system. It’s more important than basic human decency and the ability to engage civilly with one another.
Politicians and public health emperors don’t want a single person to die of Covid. But they don’t give a **** about suicide, drug abuse, alcoholism, domestic violence, and every other disease that’s going untreated right now because of the Covid hysteria.
They’ll happily arrest people who dare to open their businesses.
They’ll pepper spray people who, even if sitting by themselves, take off their masks.
They’ll censor and cancel you for expressing a view that doesn’t conform to the fear narrative.
They’ll shame and ridicule you if you have any concerns about the vaccine.
And they want us all afraid and locked up against our will.
Human beings aren’t meant to live like this. Yet now we can see the data for ourselves: 1.9% of people who tested positive for Covid had a severe case.
And if you include people who had asymptomatic Covid and didn’t even realize they were sick, the percentage of severe cases is even lower.
Certainly there will be people who reject this data. But you can’t have it both ways. You can’t dismiss the Covid severity rate while claiming that the vaccine is safe.
Both results come from the same research and the same conditions. So they’re either both true, or neither is true.
This is what leads me to the number three… because, in addition to the people who received the vaccine, another roughly 20,000 people received a placebo.
How many of them do you think ended up testing positive for Covid during the same evaluation period?
5,000?
500?
Well, out of 20,000 people who did NOT receive the vaccine, 162 of them expressed symptoms of acute respiratory illness and tested positive for COVID-19 during the evaluation period.
And out of those 162 in the placebo group who tested positive for Covid, THREE of them had ‘severe’ Covid. And only one of them was hospitalized.
(The study also clearly defines ‘severe’ Covid by a quantitative measurement of oxygen saturation. So there was no subjectivity involved.)
So from the roughly 20,000 participants who did NOT receive the vaccine, 162 (0.8%) tested positive for COVID-19 during the evaluation period. And THREE (1.9% of the positive tests) had ‘severe’ Covid. [see page 30 of the report]
Remember– this was a BIG test. Tens of thousands of people, from all walks of life, under uniform research conditions. So this is pretty pristine data.
Yet the numbers show that 98% of the people who tested positive for Covid during the evaluation period had a mild case.
It’s astonishing that they still want to shut down the economy given this data.
Now, I’m not dismissing Covid. A lot of people have suffered from it, and a lot of people have died.
But it’s absurd that COVID-19 has become a sacred, hallowed, untouchable topic that outweighs every other priority in our society.
Covid is more important than any other medical condition. It’s more important than freedom. It’s more important than our value system. It’s more important than basic human decency and the ability to engage civilly with one another.
Politicians and public health emperors don’t want a single person to die of Covid. But they don’t give a **** about suicide, drug abuse, alcoholism, domestic violence, and every other disease that’s going untreated right now because of the Covid hysteria.
They’ll happily arrest people who dare to open their businesses.
They’ll pepper spray people who, even if sitting by themselves, take off their masks.
They’ll censor and cancel you for expressing a view that doesn’t conform to the fear narrative.
They’ll shame and ridicule you if you have any concerns about the vaccine.
And they want us all afraid and locked up against our will.
Human beings aren’t meant to live like this. Yet now we can see the data for ourselves: 1.9% of people who tested positive for Covid had a severe case.
And if you include people who had asymptomatic Covid and didn’t even realize they were sick, the percentage of severe cases is even lower.
Certainly there will be people who reject this data. But you can’t have it both ways. You can’t dismiss the Covid severity rate while claiming that the vaccine is safe.
Both results come from the same research and the same conditions. So they’re either both true, or neither is true.
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This is page 30 of the report you linked to.
Can you point out the part that supports your post?
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Keep reading
Severe COVID-19 Cases
In the final analysis of the evaluable efficacy population (7 days), four participants had severe COVID-19 disease at least 7 days after Dose 2 (one subject who received BNT162b2 and three participants who received placebo). The vaccine recipient who had severe COVID-19 disease met the severe case definition because oxygen saturation at the COVID-19 illness visit was 93% on room air. The subject was not hospitalized, did not seek further medical care, and did not have risk factors for severe disease. The three placebo recipients who had severe COVID- 19 disease met the severe case definition for the following reasons: one subject had an oxygen saturation of 92% on room air without other severe disease criteria, one subject was..,,,
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I am. But you cited it, so I am asking you how it supports your assertion.
I also observe that, given that the trials didn’t deliberately expose people to Covid, there is a big difference between a detected immune response and people who actually contracted the disease.
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I don’t understand what you are saying, can you explain it in simpler terms?
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Brilliant. That helps.
I’ve read on.
Page 41, on SAEs (serious adverse effects) are reported.
Three SAEs reported in the BNT162 group were considered by the investigator as related to vaccine or vaccine administration: shoulder injury, ventricular arrhythmia, and lymphadenopathy. The investigator and the sponsor thought that the shoulder injury was related to vaccine administration. Two SAEs in the BNT162b2 group and none in the placebo group were considered by the investigator, but not the Sponsor, as related to study vaccination: shoulder injury (n=1), ventricular arrhythmia in a participant with known cardiac conditions (n=1), and lymphadenopathy temporally following vaccination (n=1). In FDA’s opinion following review of the adverse event narratives, two of these events were considered as possibly related to vaccine: shoulder injury possibly related to vaccine administration or to the vaccine itself, and lymphadenopathy involving the axilla contralateral to the vaccine injection site. For lymphadenopathy, the event was temporally associated and biologically plausible.
So, out of 44,000 plus participants, 2 serious adverse effects were recorded. Am I reading that right?
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Sprogs at home , I won't be but they're likely to visit their grandma , they've been at uni for 3 months , she's 95 , says she'd sooner see her grandchildren than live for what could be days,weeks or months without seeing them
I'm still amazed that my daughter who's 20 has a 95 year old grandmother
I put into perspective just how old she was when my daughter was 14 and learning about WW2 at school
When your grandma was 14 , the Nazis were invading Poland
I can still see the look of shock on her face
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Then, perhaps, it would have been best to read the whole report before you post what you did.
Enjoy your swim.
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