Are you worried yet.

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Silvercat

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A genuine question do we believe the figures on the WHO pages as the infection is getting bigger and still lots of deaths around the World ?
I know many choose to ignore it and carry on as normal to a certain extent that's what I do here and no I'll effects and currently out area is very high with the R rate.
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I watch Dr John Campbell on his daily blog on YouTube about Covid-19. He's very good and shares some very interesting stuff about Covid including yesterday when he went through some of the European countries infection rates. Spain and France are not far off the level of infection that they were at during the worst part of the pandemic but bizarrely the death rates are at a fraction of what they were. Could be environmental changes why this is the case with so many people wearing face masks, washing hands, socially distancing etc.., so perhaps the viral load is much less when people catch it. Or it could be that younger people are catching it now and are less susceptible to dying as a result of it. Or if could be that the virus is mutating into something less virulent, but considered unlikely because it normally takes years for this to happen. So it's worth checking out his blog with some really fascinating information on the subject. ..and he doesn't BS you. Tells it like it is.
 
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Around the time that this thread was started, I brought this guy to your attention. Dr John Campbell
As far as I'm concerned. This guy is the only one worth listening to. He's skilled and knowledgeable.
Very qualified to comment. Has been objective and conservative in this comments from day one.

In judging the veracity of what others tell me. I usually ask first. What is their agenda. Very few people
who we listen to, have no agenda and usually their interests don't coincide with our own.
As far as I can determine. John Campbell's agenda is to objectively interpret what the stats and experts
are telling us. To help each of us make better decisions that fit with our own circumstances.

In warfare, its said that no plan survives first contact with the enemy. And the phrase 'the fog of war' is
very accurate in describing how difficult it is for a commander at any level, to gain and maintain an accurate
picture of the battlefield and the enemy's movements and intentions.

We are not without experience of pandemics. Yet our leaders have failed to plan and pivot expeditiously.
So far as I know. An accurate Covid test still has not been developed. Meaning that our leaders are groping
in the dark, for reliable data upon which to act.

I believe it was a fundamentally flawed decision, for the government to start to relax restrictions as soon as the Ro
figure was thought to have dropped to around 1.0 on average, across the nation.

I realise that politicians must satisfice. They possess finite resources. Yet face infinite demands. However, I do not believe that the country was in danger of insurrection during the early summer. A belief held by government, which in part, led to early relaxation of restrictions.

I have witnessed death certificates which were written to include Covid as the cause of death, where no proof of infection existed. When such a fundamental source of information is subverted, how much can we rely on all other sources?

As to the elephant in the room, China. A lifelong expert on China recently said on camera that nothing the Chinese government says can be trusted. Nothing. It may've been in evidence given to a Congressional Committee. I forget. China's recent unilateral decision to reject the 1997 Joint Declaration on Hong Kong stating that because the political environment has changed, they no longer feel bound by the Treaty, proves this point perfectly.
IMO we in The West are responding to China, the way we responded to Nazi Germany during the 30's.
Appeasement led to war. I believe we are already at war with China. We just don't acknowledge it yet.

If Covid teaches us anything. It ought to teach us that alongside climate change, China is a clear and present danger that we cannot ignore. I believe it was a military philosopher who said something about the best tactic being to defeat your enemy before they even take to the battlefield. Or, words to that effect.
I would suggest that this is what both Russia and China are engaged in now. Progressively weakening The West from the inside out, using all the asymmetrical means possible. Information. Infection. Economic. Political.

On a lighter note PLAN disco
Spot on...
 
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Regarding testing.
During the initial and most restrictive parts of lockdown, I had reason to visit our local hospital.
This could perhaps best be described as a smallish, recently built regional hospital, with a few
hundred beds across all specialties. Catchment area would be a couple of hundred thousand, at a guess.
One visit occurred pre lockdown of the hospital itself, meaning visitors were allowed, depending
on department workload. Visitors were not encouraged however.
I witnessed a shocking scarcity of PPE and even in A&E, I was only issued a non medical disposable
face mask and ineffective plastic gown. This was all the PPE that the staff had. Although within the Covid
isolation wards, I expect PPE might've been of a higher level. But, I don't know.
I next visited the hospital in early May when the hospital was completely locked down. No visitors were
allowed. All non-essential procedures cancelled. Most patients sent home and wards closed.
Covid isolation wards remained open.
The same PPE was in use by staff, as during my prior visit. Anecdotally, I know that local businesses and voluntary
groups were producing as much, medical grade PPE as possible, for all care facilities. Little had arrived from government supplies at that time.
As well as identical PPE being used on both occasions by staff, the Covid testing regime was in complete disarray and so far as I know, this remains the case.
False positive and false negative test results are commonplace. People presenting with symptoms who are issued with a negative result, often show a positive result when next tested. This can be the next day, or week.
Essential information, like means of spread, incubation period, symptoms, reinfection rates and susceptibility
appear to me at least, to be a lottery.
Is track and trace effective anywhere in the UK? I suspect not.
My point being. If we can't yet accurately diagnose and test for it. We can't track and trace it effectively. Our borders remain open and we continue to tolerate widespread flouting of social distancing and isolation measures; why are we surprised when government still cannot get a grip of this pandemic.
 

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I have just realised the Tour De France starts this weekend, I'm all up for managed sporting activities behind closed doors but how can 200 riders often close together and all the team support spend 21 days driving around France on public roads where policing spectators will be a nightmare without there being some risk of the C19 virus spreading - Am I missing something?
 

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Mostly yes. It's outside.

Last I checked (which was a while back, admittedly) there hadn't been a single instance of transmission outside <shrug> Make of that what you will

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zagatoes30

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Mostly yes. It's outside.

Last I checked (which was a while back, admittedly) there hadn't been a single instance of transmission outside <shrug> Make of that what you will

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You are probably correct but from what I read wearing a face mask in public is now compulsory in France due to concerns on the increase of cases. Just seems a bit strange to me
 

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You are probably correct but from what I read wearing a face mask in public is now compulsory in France due to concerns on the increase of cases. Just seems a bit strange to me

Could be behavioural based, if you make it second nature people won’t forget when they go inside a supermarket etc.
 

Oneball

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Can someone let me know what this is all about.
I’m still on “Janet and John”.

Best to start with the Terry Pratchett book above your left shoulder.
 

Sam McGoo

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Mostly yes. It's outside.

Last I checked (which was a while back, admittedly) there hadn't been a single instance of transmission outside <shrug> Make of that what you will

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How can they actually know that? They can't know the exact time and place anyone actually catches it in every instance can they?
As with all things covid, it's just educated guessing.
 

Wattie

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You are probably correct but from what I read wearing a face mask in public is now compulsory in France due to concerns on the increase of cases. Just seems a bit strange to me
Most of that French face mask wearing is to protect the general public from Phil.
Have you seen him?
Stick his photo on the mantelpiece and it’ll keep the kids away from the fire.
 

CatmanV2

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You are probably correct but from what I read wearing a face mask in public is now compulsory in France due to concerns on the increase of cases. Just seems a bit strange to me

Oh indeed. Much illogic and pandering to social media fears. Nothing new, really....

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CatmanV2

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How can they actually know that? They can't know the exact time and place anyone actually catches it in every instance can they?
As with all things covid, it's just educated guessing.

Well yes. Possibly. Can't possibly be true, then

I should have included 'documented'

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I have just realised the Tour De France starts this weekend, I'm all up for managed sporting activities behind closed doors but how can 200 riders often close together and all the team support spend 21 days driving around France on public roads where policing spectators will be a nightmare without there being some risk of the C19 virus spreading - Am I missing something?

This is simple economics. 95% of the income for nearly all cycling teams is made during the Tour. A lot of teams are French.
Cycling is HUGE in France, cancelling the Tour would be like cancelling the FA Cup final.

The 'bubble' the teams are in is far tighter than for Premiership teams for example. If 2 member of the entire team (back up staff included) test positive, then the whole team must be withdrawn.

Down to the spectators, the standard French attitude will be, "no big groups etc" but if you catch it, it's your fault and you will face the consequences.
Probably....
 

Sam McGoo

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Well yes. Possibly. Can't possibly be true, then

I should have included 'documented'

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I'm not saying your wrong as I don't know either, I just can't understand how they can say that.
Would make more sense if they just said it's less likely that you can catch it outside.
 

CatmanV2

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I'm not saying your wrong as I don't know either, I just can't understand how they can say that.
Would make more sense if they just said it's less likely that you can catch it outside.

'They' have. Frequently. Doesn't fit a large number of narratives <shrug>

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