Wattie
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Im a remainer...but I have some sympathy for the view of crashing out. Because May's so-called deal is an emasculation of the UK's position, materially and politically...
Crashing out is fecking stupid but May's deal is a disaster. I cant see any way forward under any proposed Plan B that isnt actually even worse than May's hatchet job...
Remaining would be nice...But would it. An emboldened EU will entrench further the systemic issues I feel they have. Not all the arguments for leaving were about leaving, in hindsight, but about those things that are seriously wrong with the EU. A referendum to leave the E.U. wasnt the way to have that debate...Accepting a deal ( or never ending stale-mate) would start a doubling down by EU powers, which is populist in essence..And I suspect we will ever be the "bad boy" of Europe despite the shorter term benfits the EU gain, and find ourselves less and less "relevant" in our participation ( aka - materially and politically weakened)
Of course, Id love to be wrong about that...but it all leads me to say, crashing out, whilst rash and wrecklessly stupid, it is the only way to stand up for ourselves after we have been landed in this buggers muddle...
Im not sure i can get behind another binary vote , despite the, I hope, obvious elucidation of some of the most potent and awkward problems that Leaving entails.....Its too simple. We're too divided. We are over a barrel in terms of the sands running out...!
I believe the UK has sh1t the bed...Crashing out is the only way to hold the EU to account for both our sins, and our power ?
This is good.TimR
We may be divided in opinion but we want the best for the Uk.
Crashing out- this is due to the ineptitude of thegovt and the negotiating position we are now in (hijack?) see my comments re 2 years ago.
We should have used no deal as our bargaining tool....the Eu would have flinched as time ticked down as most of Europe is in turmoil and unhappy.
Remaining under Mays deal is f*******:stupid as neither remainers or leavers would want that. May reminds me of all the appalling salesmen I’ve witnesed in the past. You have all seen them too.
May is now getting desperate.
Firstly. It was a “ no deal is better than a bad deal”...she couldn’t sell that.... And no ******* wonder. She looks like she needs a Zimmer frame.....hardly imposing
Were u terrified?
Secondly it became “my deal or no deal,......they must have taken away the Zimmer frame
as she immediately caved in to Europe’s deal, developed Altsheimers and forgot that a no deal is better than a “give Europe 37 billion deal and our sovereignty indefinitely “;and let’s pretend we’ve left.
No deal -yes please......especially after the legal advice you were trying to hide.
Thirdly shes’ now saying it is Europe or labour.
What? I thought they used to hang traitors.
Now we’re being forced to decide between foreign ownership (that we'd voted to leave) or Uk ownership (that fails to meet Tory standards)
Game over