Private sale - 2 hours later engine goes pop. Advice please

Ryandoc

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Folks

Genuinely not me and I fear the response on my mates behalf.

Private sale car
Independent inspection on Saturday passed with flying colours
Test drive Sunday was flawless
Money paid on private sale
2 hours later engine goes pop, garage think it's hydro locked, head gasket ??

Guessing the answer is nothing but what's the script here ?

Caveat emptor and suck it up?

Any advise whatsoever appreciated. It's a Porsche
 

allandwf

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Not sure how it can hydro lock after two hours unless your friend drove through standing water. Or can water enter heads from another route? I would think he needs to find out exactly what has happened, then discuss in a civilized manner. Hope he gets it resolved.
 

spkennyuk

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Folks

Genuinely not me and I fear the response on my mates behalf.

Private sale car
Independent inspection on Saturday passed with flying colours
Test drive Sunday was flawless
Money paid on private sale
2 hours later engine goes pop, garage think it's hydro locked, head gasket ??

Guessing the answer is nothing but what's the script here ?

Caveat emptor and suck it up?

Any advise whatsoever appreciated. It's a Porsche

I know it was a private sale but was there any finance involved ?
You have options there if the was.
 

Ryandoc

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I'm sat with him right now drowning his sorrows. No finance was cash sale.

I'm not an expert on hydro locking, I assumed head gasket goes, meets the coolant channels (the coolant emptied) and coolant enters the cylinder(s) ???

This was yesterday afternoon was bone dry
 

alfatwo

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If you were proper person... you'd have to have word with the buyer and come to some arrangement

I wouldn't be comfortable doing anything else, the poor guy must be gutted

There may have been a previous engine fault that didn't show up..


Dave
 

Ryandoc

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Isn't it true in that situation also that coolant / cylinders meeting the cylinder pressure would over pressurise the coolant system and pop a hose or something hence loose all the coolant ?
 

Ryandoc

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He's wounded. Has had nice cars for years, Ferrari 355 not long ago. He's just down I feel gutted for him. The story line is genuine, inspection fine, test drive fine then bang
 

mjheathcote

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Your mate did all the right things, inspection, test drive etc, but private sale so no warrantee.
Who knows if the seller knew something was a miss, independant inspection did not show up the problem, and the seller has 'got away with it'.
Of course the seller might be completely innocent and just a case of bad luck it happened just as the keys where handed over.
I guess it's all a chance you take buying privately unfortunately.
 

Ryandoc

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I honestly can't think what you could know prior to this happening but both our minds are going over everything, he even got it inspected. Proper gutted for him but he's taking it ok and thinking screw it get it fixed get it behind him.

Are there any respected porches breakers / engine builders in the uk worth looking at ?
 

mjheathcote

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Nice motor, my friend had the same exact model, then followed by a 996 GT3, and then a 997 Turbo.
What I can remember when he had his c4s, it did have to have a engine rebuild under Porsche warranty. Due to a slight flat spot they could not solve. Also suffered with numerous oil leaks requiring oil seals replacements. Quite common apparently.
He loves his Porsches but admits he would never run one out of Porsche warranty, and always extended the warranty. Also he always said he didn't mind frequenting the local main dealer for 1) The receptionist had nice tits 2) The coffee was good 3) They always gave him a nice courtesy car!!
When he bought his 996 GT3, they gave him a two year warranty instead of one, simply because the engine in the GT3 was known to be very reliable, go figure on the others!
 

EnzoMC

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gutted for your friend, could you not speak to the garage that did the inspection, not saying they pay for it but maybe worth asking.
is their not some sort of sale of goods act for 24hrs ? not sure if it covers car sales

hope it all works out for him - best of luck
 

Wack61

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Unfortunately it looks like he's stuffed
http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/car-buyers-guide/cbg_legalrights.html
Private

If you buy privately, it's a case of 'Buyer Beware'. You won't have the same legal protection as you would if buying from a dealer and it's up to you to ask the right questions and inspect the car thoroughly before you buy. It's a good idea to get an independent engineer to give the car a thorough mechanical inspection, and to get a car history check to make sure there's no shady past.

Because your legal rights are more limited, unscrupulous dealers may masquerade as private sellers: be very wary if a private seller wants to meet you somewhere other than at their home, or if their name is not on the V5C registration document. A dealer pretending to be a private seller is committing a criminal offence.

The only legal terms that cover a private sale contract are:

the seller must have the right to sell the car
the vehicle should match the description given by the seller
the car must be roadworthy - it is a criminal offence to sell an unroadworthy car and an MOT certificate from a test several months ago is no guarantee that the car is roadworthy today.
 

EnzoMC

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got this from Which website


Returning a second-hand car

If there's a problem with a second-hand car soon after you've bought it - for example, the car develops a problem you wouldn't expect for the car's age and mileage, or it turns out not to be what you'd been led to expect - you may have the right to reject it and get your money back.

If you bought the car after 01 October, you only have 30 days to reject a second-hand car and get a full refund under the Consumer Rights Act.

If you bought the car before 01 October 2015, than you must reject the car within a reasonable time under the Sale of Goods Act.

While there's no clear definition of what a reasonable time is, it probably needs to be within three to four weeks – less if it's an obvious problem.

And if you reject a second-hand car you must stop using it immediately.

If you're past the first 30 days but a problem has become clear which would have been present at the point of purchase, then you're entitled to ask for a repair or replacement free of charge.

But after the first six months, the onus will be on you to prove that the fault was present from the day you purchased the car.

If the attempt at a repair or replacement is unsuccessful, you're entitled to a refund.

But the car dealer can make a deduction from the refund after the first 30 days for 'fair use'.






Second-hand car bought privately

You have fewer rights when you buy from a private seller and key parts of the Consumer Rights Act don't apply.

For example, there is no legal requirement for a car to be of satisfactory quality or fit for purpose.

But legally the seller must:

accurately describe the second-hand car (for example, an advert must not say 'one owner' when the car has had several)
not misrepresent the second-hand car (tell you something about the car which isn't true such as if it's been in an accident, the owner must answer truthfully).



was hoping this would be good news but looks like the consumer side is not covered :(
 

safrane

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As pointed out by others there are no legal avenues.

The car could have had an issue but if so that should have been picked up by the inspectio; so unless you can prove negligence by the inspection team its just a unlucky brake.

Just one though if you pal was to find out that the issue was known of and pointed out to the seller by their maintenance team you could ask the question why did the buyers agents not?
 

Ryandoc

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We've read all those web bits above, ie buyer beware etc. He was asking me what I'd do if I sold a car, my old M3 for example, knowing it drove fine and I had looked after it for it to fail massively hours afterwards, it is **** as I'd just think the buyer has dropped into a wrong gear or something.

I can see it from both sides it's just **** and must be the worse luck ever. The car is with a specialist indi in Glasgow and they are going to try and report back tomorrow. It's going to be either top / bottom end rebuild or a complete new block needed.

I asked him about the indi inspection but there's no recourse there, not that he's being an **** and trying to find a way to stitch someone else up for it, it just stinks of **** poor luck.

Tried looking for used engines online but nothing came up.