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drewf

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I just posted a question regarding this topic on the french maseratitude forum. Perhaps they came across the same stuff.

This wasn't my last post on the topic after all :)

I posted the topic on the Maseratitude forum a long time ago - if you search for it, you will find that the French guys then discovered they were having some similar failures but on the rear wishbones, not the fronts...
 

mchristyuk

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Having thought about this a little bit... and maybe I'm wrong here, but I don't think I am...

The DVSA are essentially saying that the official agreed to solution (visual inspection of bushes) is not actually good enough to ensure a safe car.

Marvellous.
 

rockits

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I am not sure I agree the average age is 14 years old and the average mileage 70k? Doesn't seem right to me....does it you?

What owners are being informed? I have never had a call, an e-mail or a letter of any kind.

Without this forum I would be driving a ticking time-bomb totally oblivious to the potential failure that could occur at any time. Without this forum I certainly would not have checked to date and would not be checking in the future either. Surely this should be the first immediate/urgent and minimum requirement to inform all current owners of a potential issue?
 

mchristyuk

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Rockits,

I would imagine the DVSA would have given Maserati records of all owners for Maserati to do a mail shot?

Well.. that would be in a sensibly run organisation of course.. as things stand who knows?

Might be worth you dropping Mr Cochoran an email to ask whether your letter has got lost in the post?

Mark
 

Zep

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My read of the response is that he goes into the hammer effect at some length. I imagine he is constrained as to the degree to which he can publicise the detail of the investigation but I see that as a fairly clear nod towards the cause they may have found. Just my opinion obviously!
 

mchristyuk

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Zep,

I think we (I am) fairly happy that the route cause of the issue is the bush deteriorating some way and that is putting undue pressure on the wishbone as the DVSA and Maserati have said.

The issue now is the DVSA are happy with Maserati writing to people letting them know this and to get the bushes checked. My issue with that is that the deterioration and damage seems to happen quite swiftly so just because you've been checked OK today, doesn't mean you'll be OK before the next service.. but the DVSA think that's fine!

Mark
 

drewf

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I am not sure I agree the average age is 14 years old and the average mileage 70k? Doesn't seem right to me....does it you?

No - that would suggest most of the cars with issues are 2000/01 models. Loads on here are later cars with lower mileage. Still, we already know DVSA can't count, as they have stated that only one car has failed, and (as far as I recall with looking back) only 4 cases reported with cracks. Just considering reports from SM members alone, that isn't true.
 

Phil H

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Rockits,

I would imagine the DVSA would have given Maserati records of all owners for Maserati to do a mail shot?

Mark

I think not. I've received a letter for my 3200 AC which was exported some time ago, but have received nothing in respect of my current 4200 which I've owned for over 2 years. If DVSA/Maserati have a plan it's not an obvious one, and I'll be asking Maserati for further clarification on the issue.

PH
 

drewf

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As I understand the process, Maserati will have been given a list of keepers derived from the V5 list held by DVLA. Maserati won't only be referring to customer lists, so anyone with a V5 in their name for a car in the target list should receive a letter.
 

rs48635

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Anyone got the picture of both old and new wishbone design?
I know it is in this thread, but work prevents me re-reading all 191 pages ;)
 

philgarner

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OK onto doing something about this, or pre-empting this at least.

I've got the GS booked in for some work - what's the line on replacing the bushes? Is it really harmful to press them out and replace with new? And then if it is how does that weigh up with the risk that a perished bush will contribute to cracking?

Got some pics of my bushes if anyone cares to offer an opinion:

http://1drv.ms/1OQDgKx
 

mchristyuk

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Phil,

There's no problem with changing the bushes, so long as whoever is doing them isn't a butcher! Just remember the arms are alloy so treat them as you would any alloy arm and all should be well. Maserati do sell the bushes as replacements and they wouldn't do that if it wasn't a serviceable item.

From your pictures I'd say only the last one looks in any form of great health.. but it's difficult to tell without actually looking at them up close.

What I would say is when your mechanic goes over them to check the edges of the arms very closely where the bushes are for any hairline cracks.. will probably need cleaning to see them clearly.

Mark
 

RW3200

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OK onto doing something about this, or pre-empting this at least.

I've got the GS booked in for some work - what's the line on replacing the bushes? Is it really harmful to press them out and replace with new? And then if it is how does that weigh up with the risk that a perished bush will contribute to cracking?

Got some pics of my bushes if anyone cares to offer an opinion:

http://1drv.ms/1OQDgKx

Phil,
I recall reading about the replacement of bushes in a previous thread, though I can't remember which, and am sure it said that Maserati only advise the use of a specific Maserati press for this. Whether any Indies or even Dealers use this I have no idea.
 

mchristyuk

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Phil,
I recall reading about the replacement of bushes in a previous thread, though I can't remember which, and am sure it said that Maserati only advise the use of a specific Maserati press for this. Whether any Indies or even Dealers use this I have no idea.

Earlier on in this thread I think Matt spoke to a main dealer and they just used a normal press that they use on any other kind of wishbone...

Mark
 

Zep

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Zep,

I think we (I am) fairly happy that the route cause of the issue is the bush deteriorating some way and that is putting undue pressure on the wishbone as the DVSA and Maserati have said.

The issue now is the DVSA are happy with Maserati writing to people letting them know this and to get the bushes checked. My issue with that is that the deterioration and damage seems to happen quite swiftly so just because you've been checked OK today, doesn't mean you'll be OK before the next service.. but the DVSA think that's fine!

Mark

I appreciate that Mark, I was making the point that he was offering a fairly strong hint as to the failure mode which might well be useful going forward.

As you say, we appear to be stuck in a feedback loop, we aren't happy with Maserati's approach to the issue, which could be both more detailed and more sympathetic, but it isn't and unless we can identify through our own means a material defect, that seems to be where this ends. DVSA appear to be sympathetic but are prevented from acting by the engineering conclusions, which would must have some merit as they clearly have some experience in these matters from the email you published. To assume incompetence (as opposed to heartlessness) on the part of Maserati and the DVSA seems like a bit of a leap to me.

What we can be fairly sure of is that there will be some new guidance for testers related to this issue, which is likely to further reduce the incidence of failure beyond what you have already achieved through this thread.

The lesson I am choosing to take is that it is advisable to change the bushes sooner rather than later. Don't get to the point where wear is really obvious and don't wait for an MOT tester or service inspection to find it. This is just my opinion of course.