The road to ruin: Le Mans 2023

RoaryRati

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conaero said:
We paid for them so they are ours to use.

To wrap this up this year was probably one of the best yet. The racing was epic and the company amazing.

Life seems just flat since being back
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just wait till you get Roary.........
 
stikey

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lozcb said:
My only saving grace was that litterally 1/4 of a mile before i had been hitting the 140's plus and had actually started slowing down to stop at the said service station for refuelling anyway , instead unfortunately I ended up refuelling their coffers to the tune of euros 340 aswell but could have been worse as they only did me for 110mph
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Lukey boy you got off light then you get caught at 160-170 mph on there roads they bang you up for 4 hours charge you 750 euros and try to take your car to auction and put the proceeds of the sale in the state coffers and the mayor town mayor makes the decision then thinks he will be getting a cheep car at auction and it will cost you 20k in court cases and a years depreciation on the car by the time you get it back if you win of course
be very careful doing high speeds to lm24 in a british reg car all of you
 
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Lukey boy you got off light then you get caught at 160-170 mph on there roads they bang you up for 4 hours charge you 750 euros and try to take your car to auction and put the proceeds of the sale in the state coffers and the mayor town mayor makes the decision then thinks he will be getting a cheep car at auction and it will cost you 20k in court cases and a years depreciation on the car by the time you get it back if you win of course
be very careful doing high speeds to lm24 in a british reg car all of you
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My understanding is that it's often the case that the driver is not the owner of the car. Ideally, I suppose, it's owned by a finance company but I've heard it's quite usual for the driver's spouse to be the actual owner (if not the registered keeper). In that case it can't be confiscated.
 
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thats if you got finance on it ,your allso band from driving on the spot can't even drive it to the cop shop compound
not the case if that cars doing that speed they take it then you have a fight on your hands they will tack it ,ho and the following week you will get a call from the tracker company saying some fuker trying to drivre the car around on a jolly with out the tracker card when you get home
 
Harry

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Felonious Crud said:
My understanding is that it's often the case that the driver is not the owner of the car. Ideally, I suppose, it's owned by a finance company but I've heard it's quite usual for the driver's spouse to be the actual owner (if not the registered keeper). In that case it can't be confiscated.
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Top tip!
 
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stikey said:
thats if you got finance on it ,your allso band from driving on the spot can't even drive it to the cop shop compound
not the case if that cars doing that speed they take it then you have a fight on your hands they will tack it ,ho and the following week you will get a call from the tracker company saying some fuker trying to drivre the car around on a jolly with out the tracker card when you get home
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Is this a lesson learned from bitter experience, by any chance?
 
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Just skimming through a discussion on Pistionheads on this. Trying to ignore the usual stupid comments, it seems important to have at least one spare driver with proof that they are insured to drive the car. If you get stopped at a speed that demands an immediate ban and no one else is immediately on hand to drive the car then it gets impounded and you don't see it for xx months and by then it will smell of fast food deliveries, be ragged or have mice living in it. Or all three.
 
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Felonious Crud said:
Just skimming through a discussion on Pistionheads on this. Trying to ignore the usual stupid comments, it seems important to have at least one spare driver with proof that they are insured to drive the car. If you get stopped at a speed that demands an immediate ban and no one else is immediately on hand to drive the car then it gets impounded and you don't see it for xx months and by then it will smell of fast food deliveries, be ragged or have mice living in it. Or all three.
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On that basis, I think I should charge Blondie to have me as her passenger on the Maserati trips! Suddenly co drivers aren’t just for paying at the toll booths and unwrapping sweeties.
 
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On that basis, I think I should charge Blondie to have me as her passenger on the Maserati trips! Suddenly co drivers aren’t just for paying at the toll booths and unwrapping sweeties.
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You also need to be the owner of her car. See below from a French lawyer and posted on (the dubious oracle that is) Pistonheads. The question is, how does one prove to the gendarmes that someone else owns a car?

d) Vehicle confiscation
Legal principles
According to the article L325-1-2 of the French highway code, vehicles
controlled to exceed 50km/h or more of the maximum authorized speed,
can be immobilized and immediately impounded by the police.
The immobilization must be pronounced only if the offender owns the car.
The prefect informs the Public Prosecutor who has 7 days to confirm this
immobilization.
Otherwise, its owner can recover it.
If the court pronounces the sentence of immobilization of the vehicle, it is
returned to the owner at the end of the period of immobilization fixed by
the court against payment of the costs of removal and detention in
impoundment.
However, in certain cases, the personal situation of the offender can be
take into account to lift the immobilization, for instance, if the confiscation
is likely to affect the living condition of the relatives of the offender.
Nevertheless, in regard to this last item, each jurisdiction will decide how
to proceed.
Exception
However, according to the article L325-1-2 of the French highway code, if
the offender is not the owner of the vehicle, the immobilization or the
impoundment, must be lifted as soon as a person proposed by the driver or
the real owner can recover the vehicle.
So, vehicle may be confiscated or immobilized after an offense only if the
offender is the owner of the vehicle.
Accordingly, hire agreement with an option to purchase and lease
agreement cannot be subject to an immobilization.
 
stikey

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my mate was driving i had to drive it to the compound was a **** show seeing my mates 120k week old car taken from him i came home sold my 430 spider never brought a fast car again for ten years then it got to much and had to go and buy a few the misses is not to impressed with a ac3200 a strad and a af quod sat on the drive
 
Harry

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Felonious Crud said:
You also need to be the owner of her car. See below from a French lawyer and posted on (the dubious oracle that is) Pistonheads. The question is, how does one prove to the gendarmes that someone else owns a car?

d) Vehicle confiscation
Legal principles
According to the article L325-1-2 of the French highway code, vehicles
controlled to exceed 50km/h or more of the maximum authorized speed,
can be immobilized and immediately impounded by the police.
The immobilization must be pronounced only if the offender owns the car.
The prefect informs the Public Prosecutor who has 7 days to confirm this
immobilization.
Otherwise, its owner can recover it.
If the court pronounces the sentence of immobilization of the vehicle, it is
returned to the owner at the end of the period of immobilization fixed by
the court against payment of the costs of removal and detention in
impoundment.
However, in certain cases, the personal situation of the offender can be
take into account to lift the immobilization, for instance, if the confiscation
is likely to affect the living condition of the relatives of the offender.
Nevertheless, in regard to this last item, each jurisdiction will decide how
to proceed.
Exception
However, according to the article L325-1-2 of the French highway code, if
the offender is not the owner of the vehicle, the immobilization or the
impoundment, must be lifted as soon as a person proposed by the driver or
the real owner can recover the vehicle.
So, vehicle may be confiscated or immobilized after an offense only if the
offender is the owner of the vehicle.
Accordingly, hire agreement with an option to purchase and lease
agreement cannot be subject to an immobilization.
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Could be a bit tricky getting her to give the car to me, but I think I can talk her into it.
 
MarkMas

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Felonious Crud said:
You also need to be the owner of her car. See below from a French lawyer and posted on (the dubious oracle that is) Pistonheads. The question is, how does one prove to the gendarmes that someone else owns a car?

d) Vehicle confiscation
Legal principles
According to the article L325-1-2 of the French highway code, vehicles
controlled to exceed 50km/h or more of the maximum authorized speed,
can be immobilized and immediately impounded by the police.
The immobilization must be pronounced only if the offender owns the car.
The prefect informs the Public Prosecutor who has 7 days to confirm this
immobilization.
Otherwise, its owner can recover it.
If the court pronounces the sentence of immobilization of the vehicle, it is
returned to the owner at the end of the period of immobilization fixed by
the court against payment of the costs of removal and detention in
impoundment.
However, in certain cases, the personal situation of the offender can be
take into account to lift the immobilization, for instance, if the confiscation
is likely to affect the living condition of the relatives of the offender.
Nevertheless, in regard to this last item, each jurisdiction will decide how
to proceed.
Exception
However, according to the article L325-1-2 of the French highway code, if
the offender is not the owner of the vehicle, the immobilization or the
impoundment, must be lifted as soon as a person proposed by the driver or
the real owner can recover the vehicle.
So, vehicle may be confiscated or immobilized after an offense only if the
offender is the owner of the vehicle.
Accordingly, hire agreement with an option to purchase and lease
agreement cannot be subject to an immobilization.
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I suppose it is 'owner of the vehicle at the time of the offense' so it is no good the driver (Harry) giving or selling the car to the co-driver (Blondie) as the cops start to 'immobilise'.
 
Harry

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MarkMas said:
I suppose it is 'owner of the vehicle at the time of the offense' so it is no good the driver (Harry) giving or selling the car to the co-driver (Blondie) as the cops start to 'immobilise'.
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I think I should make it clear that we are in a theoretical Stradale scenario, where Blondie is driving it (as per usual) and I am harnessed in the passenger seat making squeaking noises.
 
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