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CatmanV2

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lifes2short said:
and just heard on the news that Fujitsu staff altering statements to aid prosecution :mad:, someone at Fujitsu and the post office needs to spend some jail time
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Exactly. At least they were taking it (mostly) on the chin today. Although I suspect their final response will be 'look, we told POL about *every* issue'
 
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lifes2short said:
good old blame game, quite laughable if not so serious
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Well TBF in that position it would be a little tricky to know what else to do. The only other thing would have been to go direct to the authorities which would not be without considerable risk.

*If* that's what they are going to say, and can evidence.

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lifes2short

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still cant get round my head how the PO could be judge, prosecutor and executioner, surely they should now be stripped of such powers now, must be an an old ancient law ??
 
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lifes2short said:
still cant get round my head how the PO could be judge, prosecutor and executioner, surely they should now be stripped of such powers now, must be an an old ancient law ??
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Actually there are quite a lot of organisations that can make private prosecutions (I was surprised) In fact individuals can, but those with statutory right are l(I undserstand) like the RSPCA, local councils, HSE and so on. Could be wrong on the statutory right part.

Not at all sure they are judge and executioner though.

Haven't got time to Google right now as I'm going to see if they want me a a trustee for the local Community Association

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The more that comes out of the PO inquiry the worse it gets - it's despicable, even more so since it was a deliberate policy of hounding the SPMs.

Meanwhile I've been watching both series of 'Bulman', the third series to feature the ever watchable Don Henderson as quirky Scotland Yard rozzer / private detective George Kitchener Bulman, one or two episodes are a little flaky but others are quite gritty in places. The first series was made in 1984 and shown in 1986, the second series was made in 1986 and shown in 1987. Mostly filmed in and around London, the cars and locations are very nostalgic.
 
CatmanV2

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CatmanV2 said:
Actually there are quite a lot of organisations that can make private prosecutions (I was surprised) In fact individuals can, but those with statutory right are l(I undserstand) like the RSPCA, local councils, HSE and so on. Could be wrong on the statutory right part.

Not at all sure they are judge and executioner though.

Haven't got time to Google right now as I'm going to see if they want me a a trustee for the local Community Association

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A reasonable list to give an indication:
  • Financial Conduct Authority (FCA) – The UK’s main financial services regulator with prosecutions brought for misconduct, financial crime or disciplinary breaches.
  • Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy – Prosecutions for breach of Company Directors Disqualification Act Orders 1986 , offences under the Insolvency Act 1986, offences under the Companies Act 2006.
  • Trading Standards Agency – Alleged fraudulent and illegal trading in counterfeit computer software.
  • Federation Against Copyright Theft (FACT) and the British Phonographic Industry (BPI) – Private prosecutions involving intellectual property
  • Electoral Commission – Investigations and prosecutions brought by the Electoral Commission into breaches of the Elections Act 2022 and electoral fraud offences
  • Bank of England– Prosecution under the Banking Act in respect of unlicensed activity
  • Gangmasters Licensing Authority – prosecution of unlicensed gang-masters in the agricultural industry.
And as I suspected, not the judge or executioner (but clearly vastly outgunning a typical SPM)

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A private prosecution, as with all criminal proceedings, begins with information about the alleged offence and the relevant legislation being put before a magistrates’ court. The court will then decide whether to issue a summons or arrest warrant. This will involve the magistrates having to consider whether the offence is out of time (beyond any time limit for prosecution), if they have jurisdiction for it and whether the person seeking to prosecute has the authority to do so.

If the allegation involves an indictable offence or one punishable with imprisonment, an arrest warrant can be issued. One can also be issued where the defendant’s address is not known, so a summons can be served on them. Police assistance can be sought to execute the arrest warrant.

The burden of proof is on the prosecutor to prove that the defendant committed each element of the alleged offence – and must be proved to a jury or judge (depending on the court that eventually hears the case) beyond a reasonable doubt.

An individual or company considering bringing a private prosecution may possess a lot of the material that is likely to become evidence before any decision has been taken to proceed. But if they do not have enough they may have to t

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lifes2short

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CatmanV2 said:
Actually there are quite a lot of organisations that can make private prosecutions
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as far as I understood the PO weren't private prosecutors, they are the law and act as the law in place of the Police, it's mind boggling.

Edit: just found this on the interweb

"According to the Post Office website, Royal Mail solicitors are the earliest known formal investigators and prosecutors in the world, tracing their origins back to 1683. The Post Office continues to act as a private prosecutor, not under any specific power but exercising the general legal right to undertake prosecutions. Its investigators do have powers beyond those of the average private prosecutor including to access the Police National Computer, to undertake financial investigations to bring restraint and confiscation proceedings and to authorise surveillance to investigate crime. "
 
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CatmanV2

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lifes2short said:
as far as I understood the PO weren't private prosecutors, they are the law and act as the law in place of the Police, it's mind boggling.

Edit: just found this on the interweb

"According to the Post Office website, Royal Mail solicitors are the earliest known formal investigators and prosecutors in the world, tracing their origins back to 1683. The Post Office continues to act as a private prosecutor, not under any specific power but exercising the general legal right to undertake prosecutions. Its investigators do have powers beyond those of the average private prosecutor including to access the Police National Computer, to undertake financial investigations to bring restraint and confiscation proceedings and to authorise surveillance to investigate crime. "
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Very disturbing!

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Just watched Rogue Agent on Netflix, best thing I've watched on TV in ages, if you haven't seen it just watch it, it's a true story, don't Google him before or you'll spoil it
 
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philw696 said:
Watching True Detective on Amazon at the moment 10 years old but a first for me and very gritty.
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Series 1 was great. Series 4 is supposed to be excellent. My advice is skip series 2. I thought it was terrible, and didn't even bother trying series 3

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