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BJL

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I just don't get it. Maserati as a marque is dying on its feet despite volume increase. As a brand it maybe surviving but how stupid have they been.

Just read in the Italian press whilst having my morning shot that the Alfieri will probably not see the light of day as it no longer fits the 'core brief' as they put it.

How utterly stupid Fiat, Maserati and the conglomerate of bean counters were when the separated Maserati from Ferrari. The only real credibility it had after the disaster years of Bi-turbo rubbish and overly fragile, poorly built but beguiling sports cars. Just as it was getting back it's credo and Kudos with the GS, the QPV and lately the GT, all of which had the engines and running gear assembled at Ferrari, the bodies pressed by Ferrari owned Scaglietti, the paintwork done at Ferrari and delivered to Modena for final assembly. Could no-one see it was a partnership made in heaven for Maserati to be talked of as 'the luxury GT' side of Ferrari. The allure was so tangible it hurt. All they had to do was keep ahead of the game and nurture the interest by;

Renewing the QP as they did but in a short and long wheelbase version with the V8tt. The short wheelbase version in two variants ie GTS with 550bhp and standard with 510bhp. The long wheel base version in one trim level only ie "opulent". Once the market had developed and street cred maintained then bring out the diesel but a proper pokey diesel not the rattle box they currently use which although defended by many is in reality breathless at 4000 revs and noisy at rest sounding like a London Taxi,

Plus carry on the theme of the GT, as in a 911 kind of evolutionary way, by making it lighter, sleeker, more dramatic and feeding it the V8tt and V6tt as the only variants .

Instead of that they came out with the Ghibli that can't compete at any level and should have been an Alfa, Not one dealer in the UK is thrilled with the public response to this generic box which sits on forecourts forever until they can bribe someone with a Kings ransom trade in and to boot has not won a single european accolade unlike the QPV which won 17 in the first 2 years. Moreover, the QP VI although selling in limited numbers across Europe is mostly in diesel form and wont pull a duck off its nest, hardly beating the drum for Maserati, a name associated with performance. The V8tt version is good but too big to chuck around.

The GT replacement is four years overdue and looks like ending up as a ******* child of the Ghibli with Alfieri esq. bits to give it some purpose and will no doubt be eventually offered in a diesel variant to assure sales targets are met and worse still will not be made in Modena where Alfa now occupy the majority of workshop space.

I despair the future and am of the opinion that we have seen the very best of Maserati in the last 12 years ie 2005 onwards when they sorted the Duoselect box on the QP, they gave us the GS, they wowed us with the GT and turned the already gorgeous QP Sport GT into the 4.7 GTS.

Everything since has been for volume not passion and remember the Maserati moto emblazoned across their showroom in Modena had a lot to do with Passion at its heart.

Rant Over
 

StuartW

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Well said sir, the future right now is looking bleak. I hope they surprise us all and tease us with something at Geneva which has a better chance of making it to production than the ill fated Alfieri did. Otherwise, there are sad times ahead it seems
 

MrMickS

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I do worry that they are now looking at BMW/Mercedes/Audi as the competition rather than Porsche.

The Alfa/Maserati axis appears to be more Alfa than Maserati. If Alfa come out with a 166 replacement I don't see where Maserati will fit at all.
 

allandwf

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I think we all knew we would not see the Alfieri. It should have been ready to capitalise on the Centenary.
 

safrane

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Thread reflects the worries I posted a couple of years ago when the brand diversified into Rep cars as the way forward.

Let's hope its all a bad dream and we will wake to a new range of sporting cars we will all desire.
 

Andyk

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Certainly don't disagree with any of your thoughts and was thinking the same driving to work. Maserati have always for me been about the car you desire and cherish...A car to jumpin at the weekend that makes you smile from ear to ear. They have moved away from this and into the main stream and in doing so changed what a Maserati means to a lot of Maserati fans. Now if they needed to do this to survive then I get that but that doesn't mean they have to move away all together. Ignoring the GT which is at the end of its life there is nothing in the range that inspires like cars of old. Yes if you want a diesel Ghibli or 4x4 for everyday use then the cars are brilliant but that's not why I love Maserati or why I would dream of owning a 3200 when it came out or a GranSport...or even a Stradale. I remember the first picture I saw of the 4.2 GT I did a little love we...Certainly didn't happen with the new range....
I have found myself yearning for other makes and this is sad as I have always wanted a Maserati for as long as I can remember. I really hope they bring out a car that I can yearn for again.
 

P R

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Certainly don't disagree with any of your thoughts and was thinking the same driving to work. Maserati have always for me been about the car you desire and cherish...A car to jumpin at the weekend that makes you smile from ear to ear. They have moved away from this and into the main stream and in doing so changed what a Maserati means to a lot of Maserati fans. Now if they needed to do this to survive then I get that but that doesn't mean they have to move away all together. Ignoring the GT which is at the end of its life there is nothing in the range that inspires like cars of old. Yes if you want a diesel Ghibli or 4x4 for everyday use then the cars are brilliant but that's not why I love Maserati or why I would dream of owning a 3200 when it came out or a GranSport...or even a Stradale. I remember the first picture I saw of the 4.2 GT I did a little love we...Certainly didn't happen with the new range....
I have found myself yearning for other makes and this is sad as I have always wanted a Maserati for as long as I can remember. I really hope they bring out a car that I can yearn for again.

This is certainly true. The issue isn't the production of SUVs or diesel saloons. Sadly there wouldn't be a future without them such is their pull in todays world. However, the key is to have the coupes and sports cars too. Look at Porsche. They were solely a sports car maker, even more so than Maserati. They now make the SUVs, the diesel saloons AND the sports cars. Do the SUVs and saloons diminish the brand, probably, a little. Are they needed? Very much so.

Remember, the kids of today aspire to own big SUVs, not sports cars like when I was a lad ;)
 

Grant V

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Well put and they should kick Sergio under the @rse and make you the boss.

That's the fundamental problem - Sergio isn't a car guy.
 

dem maser

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Maserati turned the corner from the 3200...Ferrari input etc etc
that was 20 years ago and they have given us some lovely cars since and everyone was an improvement and rival to the leaders at the time like the GS taking the fight to the 911

It says a lot when most people (i for one) look to be owning an Alfa in the future...not just for boring family diesels but also for thrill seeking weekend cars...the Quadrifiglio Giulia is amazing......0-60 in 3.8 secs!!! We are talking Ferrari level here or not far off and itll give you practicality and decent economy

They are making a coupe now based on the Giulia platfrom with an extra 30 bhp from that V6 as my dealer confirmed so where does Maserati sit in?
a coupe with 0-60 in 3.6 secs (im assuming faster) around 60k??

I hope they save it and i dont see the badge at schools with the Levante being a big hit but i dont see it
 

Needamaser

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Part of the problem for us on here is we appreciate the marque for its sporting history along with the look, performance and noise.
However if Maserati suddenly unveiled a car at £80k where we were all saying how fabulous it was I bet most of the comments here would be "I will buy that in a few years when the price drops". That doesn't help Maserati sell cars. There are perhaps a handful of the regular posters on here that would be in a position to buy a new one.
If they did bring out a car they would be looking at pulling customers from elsewhere and given the "reliability" tag which keeps coming up how many of them would risk making the switch?
I don't see it as an overnight solution no matter what they do. They have to build up trust and credibility and some of the issues we see here with "warranty" work and not looking after older cars does nothing to help. Despite owner changes it is just a typical Italian motor company lurching from one crisis to the next and hopefully getting something right to save their bacon at some point.
Got to say I don't feel any real passion coming from them just now which is surely what owning and building Italian cars is about?
 

BJL

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Looking down the wrong end of the telescope is the Maserati mantra whereas;

Porsche make and sell 911 based super cars that lift the status of all else,
Merc make and sell the GT, SLS, and the ball busting C63 which pumps the chest out of every C200 rep driver on the planet,
BMW stick 'M' on everything now to push the 'performance is everything' ethos,
Bentley Contis are becoming more 'hardcore' by the day. Why? because performance sells.
Audi push the R8 V10 as if all Audis are from the same block
Even Honda realise that in launching the new SX they get the heart beat pulsing in all their buyers, it's called marketing.
Even Jaguar push out the tyre shredding versions of all they make to get the market attention and then imply you're getting a slice of the action.

Maserati just don't get it. Useless bunch.
 

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Agree the passion is gone, no longer do I think "wow, I want that trident!" As I did with their offerings from the last 20 years. The current 3 are just a little bit Meh!
 

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Even Jaguar push out the tyre shredding versions of all they make to get the market attention and then imply you're getting a slice of the action.
100% with your first post, don't think I could put it better myself, and I think the current crop of QP/Ghibli/Levante look so Korean, so bland, every time I see one I just shake my head and grimace.

And coincidentally, your point about Jaguar is a good one; they are a good example of how to bring about a level of renaissance with a marque with similar sporting pedigree, think about how derided they were only ten year ago and look at how strong they are as a brand now - just look at how many F-Types they've sold as an example. Can you imagine a Maserati rival, a mini Granturismo for circa £80k?
 

Rwc13

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We really need to rename this forum "TheForumforpeoplewhomostlyonlyappreciateMaseratisfromthetinyperiodinits100+yearhistorywhenitwasownedby Ferrariandwouldhaveitforeverproducingcarsthatsofewpeoplewouldbuynewthatitwouldforeverlurchfromonefinancialcrisistoanother.com


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safrane

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Or maybe they should make a small high volume 3/5 door hatchback...or just rebadge a US range...oh wait they already tried that last one.
 

Andyk

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Think you may have missed the point. No one is saying they shouldn't make the range they do now if that is going ensure the future of the company but walking away from the cars that make them special and the cars that make passers by go WOW is just sad. Let's hope the range includes a car that we can aspire or dream of owning. I will probably never be in the position to buy a new Maserati so what I want from the company is probably irrelevant but having a car in the range that makes my heart race with excitement every time a read a review or see one at a dealer or the road is important to me....and having that dream that maybe one day ..... Felt that with the 3200 and it took me 10 years to get one....felt it with the GS and the GT recently.
 

iainw

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Alfa has stepped up - maserati has stepped back.
For individuals (including me ) to be even considering getting a QV as a replacement for a maserati is silly. I could probably stretch to more but nothing the maserati offers excites me. The Alfieri would.
I understand the need in this Day and age- but the ghibli IMO has killed the brand. 160 now for sale on AT and rising ... so many boring ex fleet cars. They couldn't even sell me one when I was desperate to buy.
Depressing as I wanted to stay with maserati for life.
Having said that there is no obvious alternative - all rivals have their downside too
 

Rwc13

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I've not missed the point at all Andy. That's what I want too. And I believe Maserati will get there in the end with the support of a more diverse range of cars and customers. I just don't see how a rant largely aimed at slating the current and historical line up helps. What is hopefully true is that the profits Maserati are now making are more likely to deliver what we all want in the form of wow GT cars sooner than the loss making position of yesteryear. I'm sure Maserati are trying to repeat what Jaguar have achieved, they just aren't releasing their rejuvenated range in the same order.


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