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That was what made me wince. The fact that these are rare cars made by a unique marque. Taking even one off the road rather than preserving it is just unnecessary. But then I guess being an irresponsible bell-end goes with the territory for the former Top Gear trio.
 

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I thought this episode was awful. Worst of the lot. I was totally disinterested. Didn't laugh once.


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When your kids and wife look on in bemusement you know they have lost the plot! The Show not them!

Geoff I can source you that red 222 if you want it ?
 

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I rather enjoyed it and laughed quite a lot. Thought the cars all did rather well considering what they paid for them. And they did seem to genuinely like them and get their rather unique character.

Do we know for sure that it was actually the Spyder that James was driving that was trashed?


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Do we know for sure that it was actually the Spyder that James was driving that was trashed?


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I wondered that too. TV are not above using a few tricks. Unless everyone believes that he drove the car onto the 'yacht'



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I don't get it. Why destroy any examples of a rare and classic marque? An old battered Fiesta that jsnt roadworthy then fair enough.

You have Wheeler Dealers & Car SOS keeping the classics alive then 3 x middle aged egotistical neanderthal imbeciles destroying classic cars. I used to forgive their idiosyncrasies and selfish/blatant disregard for others but this is a step too far for me. I thought they were petrolheads like us all but clearly not. Idiots.

We still have 3rd world countries on the planet, diseases, inequality, pain, suffering and wars. Do something productive with your life you 3 numpties. Do something great and leave a legacy to improve the human race....idiots.
 

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When your kids and wife look on in bemusement you know they have lost the plot! The Show not them!

Geoff I can source you that red 222 if you want it ?

The thing is, it's trashed now, but some muppet will sell it for more than it was up for previously.
I'll have the wheels if they're still straight.
 

drewf

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I don't get it. Why destroy any examples of a rare and classic marque? An old battered Fiesta that jsnt roadworthy then fair enough.

You have Wheeler Dealers & Car SOS keeping the classics alive then 3 x middle aged egotistical neanderthal imbeciles destroying classic cars. I used to forgive their idiosyncrasies and selfish/blatant disregard for others but this is a step too far for me. I thought they were petrolheads like us all but clearly not. Idiots.

We still have 3rd world countries on the planet, diseases, inequality, pain, suffering and wars. Do something productive with your life you 3 numpties. Do something great and leave a legacy to improve the human race....idiots.

Couldn't agree more.

They used to have decent pieces on older classic cars with TG - remember the 'Buy an Italian car for £10k(?) and drive it' episode? 308GT4/Merak/Urraco - they checked the power the old engines were producing, did a lap at Castle Combe against a modern Diesel family car, and drove to a certain club near Slough. Not setting out with the sole purpose of attempting to wreck the cars along the way...
 

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Couldn't agree more.

They used to have decent pieces on older classic cars with TG - remember the 'Buy an Italian car for £10k(?) and drive it' episode? 308GT4/Merak/Urraco - they checked the power the old engines were producing, did a lap at Castle Combe against a modern Diesel family car, and drove to a certain club near Slough. Not setting out with the sole purpose of attempting to wreck the cars along the way...

But boy did they wreck them by trying to parallel park them and if I remember correctly he (Clarkson) continued the drive the Merak with low or no oil pressure and blew a hole in the crank case showering May in the process!
 

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But boy did they wreck them by trying to parallel park them and if I remember correctly he (Clarkson) continued the drive the Merak with low or no oil pressure and blew a hole in the crank case showering May in the process!

I hated that episode. The Lambo was perfect, bar the alternator. And the pointless race against the Stig measured only the difference a professional race car driver vs. the three morons.
 

Wack61

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TV and Movie companies regularly have a car for the camera and another for the explosion so it may not have been the spider in the sea

Having said that given the budget of the show wrecking 25k worth of maserati's is peanuts to them

I thought it was the worst episode yet, not because they wrecked maserati's but it was just dull

What did they do , drive 3 Cars through the dullest part of France then pretend to get lost in the docks .
 

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Love the consistency. Would be interesting to do a review of the number of threads on here in which biturbos have been slagged off as generally the worst cars in Maseratis history, and which convey the view that they are rarely worth saving because of their unreliability and tendency to dissolve. Now they appear to be revered as important classics to be saved irrespective of their history and condition. Interesting. And I love biturbos
 

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Love the consistency. Would be interesting to do a review of the number of threads on here in which biturbos have been slagged off as generally the worst cars in Maseratis history, and which convey the view that they are rarely worth saving because of their unreliability and tendency to dissolve. Now they appear to be revered as important classics to be saved irrespective of their history and condition. Interesting. And I love biturbos

I like them too but the thought of owning one fills me with fear, not so much the flaky electrics but the tendency to dissolve! I'd love a Zagato and very nearly bought one a year or two ago but I would need brave pills now just like 3200 ownership I suppose :D

I think there is a big difference between berating them and actually destroying them though.
 

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But if they're not worth saving they're not worth saving. Is it really worse to use a possible junker for entertainment in a way that portrays pretty positively some of the values of the cars, rather than just stick it in a crusher?
 

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But if they're not worth saving they're not worth saving. Is it really worse to use a possible junker for entertainment in a way that portrays pretty positively some of the values of the cars, rather than just stick it in a crusher?

I am 99.9% sure that these three were actually solid examples, (we have the history on the red one etc..) and they paid decent money £8k for them so they were far from needing saving.
 

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Love the consistency. Would be interesting to do a review of the number of threads on here in which biturbos have been slagged off as generally the worst cars in Maseratis history, and which convey the view that they are rarely worth saving because of their unreliability and tendency to dissolve. Now they appear to be revered as important classics to be saved irrespective of their history and condition. Interesting. And I love biturbos
Perhaps the cynics are starting to see the light? :)
 

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I suppose we all knew what to expect from those 3 clowns, the format is getting a little tiring, buy 3 perfectly good cars, go on a road trip and trash them. Its good in a way that they didn't rubbish them and actually seemed to quite like them but it is a shame to see 3 fairly nice examples treated in that way.

Unfortunately the perceived wisdom of the Biturbo is that they were unreliable and poorly built which may have been the case in the early years but the Biturbo was continuously updated on an almost yearly basis and became a very good car, unfortunately the early publicity continued to be held against it. Without Alejandro de Tomaso and the Biturbo it's possible that Maserati may have slipped into oblivion many years ago and I find it strange that the Biturbo years seem to be an era that most people would rather forget. The reputation for unreliability mainly relates to the carb versions which did have problems with going out of tune quickly and for having hot starting problems due to fuel vaporisation, an issue that Maserati resolved fairly quickly with the introduction of fuel injection in 1985. The perception about rust is largely exaggerated, don't get me wrong, Biturbos love to rust but they weren't any worse than any other cars of the era.

The red car was advertised on Carandclassic.co.uk a while ago and appeared to be very nice. It seems that no-one knows what model it actually is, some say itsa 222, the DVLA have it listed as a 2.24v. Clarkson was almost correct in saying it was a Biturbo S but it is in fact a Biturbo Si. They were produced between 1987 and 1988 and I think there must have been a mix up with the DVLA for it to have been registered on a k-plate. We can tell its an Si rather than the earlier carb S because it has aerodynamic door mirrors and a rounded instrument binnacle (the carb car has a large square binnacle and square mirrors). When Clarkson opened the bonnet you could see that the intercoolers were not visible, on the S they were on top of the engine and were fed by the twin NACA ducts in the bonnet, on the Si the intercoolers were moved to the front negating the purpose of the bonnet vents but they remained. This particular car has obviously been repainted as from the factory all Ss and Sis would have had a grey lower half, that car also has later bumpers from the 222SE/2.24v. In Italy the S and Si models are quite sought after as they were the final development of the Biturbo before the 222 was launched, the limited edition Si Black Series is particularly sought after.
 

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Love the consistency. Would be interesting to do a review of the number of threads on here in which biturbos have been slagged off as generally the worst cars in Maseratis history, and which convey the view that they are rarely worth saving because of their unreliability and tendency to dissolve. Now they appear to be revered as important classics to be saved irrespective of their history and condition. Interesting. And I love biturbos

Never let facts get in the way etc etc etc

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Needamaser

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I like them too but the thought of owning one fills me with fear, not so much the flaky electrics but the tendency to dissolve! I'd love a Zagato and very nearly bought one a year or two ago but I would need brave pills now just like 3200 ownership I suppose :D

I think there is a big difference between berating them and actually destroying them though.
This was simple vandalism under the guise of entertainment. Ok they were Maseratis but irrespective of what cars they used it is still vandalism.
There wasn't a single "test" they did which proved a thing. It was simply an excuse to abuse the cars.

For me the key was rust in buying the car.
I don't have time,ability or money to take on a rusty shell and repair it.
Mechanicals and electrics can be repaired easily but a lot of these issues are owners not spending money on maintenance as they feel the car is not valuable enough to warrant it.
Values increase and that perception changes.
I am "sorting" anything on the car as I come across it and I don't see why it shouldn't be reliable as a result.
It was rust proofed from new and I had it waxoyled before I collected it.
 

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I suppose we all knew what to expect from those 3 clowns, the format is getting a little tiring, buy 3 perfectly good cars, go on a road trip and trash them. Its good in a way that they didn't rubbish them and actually seemed to quite like them but it is a shame to see 3 fairly nice examples treated in that way.

Unfortunately the perceived wisdom of the Biturbo is that they were unreliable and poorly built which may have been the case in the early years but the Biturbo was continuously updated on an almost yearly basis and became a very good car, unfortunately the early publicity continued to be held against it. Without Alejandro de Tomaso and the Biturbo it's possible that Maserati may have slipped into oblivion many years ago and I find it strange that the Biturbo years seem to be an era that most people would rather forget. The reputation for unreliability mainly relates to the carb versions which did have problems with going out of tune quickly and for having hot starting problems due to fuel vaporisation, an issue that Maserati resolved fairly quickly with the introduction of fuel injection in 1985. The perception about rust is largely exaggerated, don't get me wrong, Biturbos love to rust but they weren't any worse than any other cars of the era.

The red car was advertised on Carandclassic.co.uk a while ago and appeared to be very nice. It seems that no-one knows what model it actually is, some say itsa 222, the DVLA have it listed as a 2.24v. Clarkson was almost correct in saying it was a Biturbo S but it is in fact a Biturbo Si. They were produced between 1987 and 1988 and I think there must have been a mix up with the DVLA for it to have been registered on a k-plate. We can tell its an Si rather than the earlier carb S because it has aerodynamic door mirrors and a rounded instrument binnacle (the carb car has a large square binnacle and square mirrors). When Clarkson opened the bonnet you could see that the intercoolers were not visible, on the S they were on top of the engine and were fed by the twin NACA ducts in the bonnet, on the Si the intercoolers were moved to the front negating the purpose of the bonnet vents but they remained. This particular car has obviously been repainted as from the factory all Ss and Sis would have had a grey lower half, that car also has later bumpers from the 222SE/2.24v. In Italy the S and Si models are quite sought after as they were the final development of the Biturbo before the 222 was launched, the limited edition Si Black Series is particularly sought after.

Outstanding knowledge.