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[BennyD]

Two taxes will be concurrent for the remainder of the month as the DVLA only refund full months. So, if the seller buys 6 months tax and sells the car two weeks later he will only get 5 months refunded and the purchaser will have to tax from the start of the month to drive the car on the day of purchase. That has to be legally unenforceable.

Also, just because they say the tax has been forfeited at the point of sale doesn't mean it is legally enforceable, it merely invites a test case to determine its validity.

 

[allandwf]

The last car I sold was three days before the end of the month. I just dated the V5 as the last day, not sure thats strictly right either.

 

[BennyD]

The best time for everybody to buy and sell a vehicle is the first of the month. F*ck the theiving ba5tards.

 

[allandwf]

You'll still lose a month

 

[drewf]

Ultimate time has to be midnight on the last day of the month...

 

[BennyD]

The seller will but the buyer won't. However, there will be two concurrent taxes in force for the vehicle. It's absolute bollox.

 

[allandwf]

It's absolute bollox.

Totally agree!

 

[mjheathcote]

Taxed the Maser today after MOT pass, and it's winter sleep. Could have waited until April but off work for a couple of days and couldn't wait!
Anyway as soon as home from the MOT station jumped online to tax.
Options are pay 6, pay 12, or DD 12.
Need more than 6, but not 12 as car off road for 4 or 5 months over winter.
Did 6 for not sure now if you do 12 you can declare SORN and cash in the tax disc...If no tax disc to cash in???

 

[BennyD]

You will be able to SORN the vehicle and get back all the full months still left. Again the ba5tards fleece you as you've just blown the best part of March when you haven't used your vehicle and you will lose the rest of the month you don't use your vehicle at the end of the year. Bearing in mind how many cars are bought and sold in a year, it's a racket that needs challenging in court.

 

[RSM Masser]

Totally agree!

Absolutely agree - road Tax is a con period - just how much is used to run the DVLA?
Why should my new car cost more to tax in its first year than in its second?

My daughter bought a new car a couple of years ago when the first phase of the changes came into force - she transfered her insurance (another £30 robbing bar steward admin fee) parked her old car on our drive with a For Sale in the window. A few weeks latter she gets a letter from the DVLA threatening to fine her for keeping an uninsured vehicle

Meanwhile a couple of miles down the road several 'Do as you Likeys' cut about in new mercs and BMW's without a care in the world

 

[BennyD]

I've always said the best way to police road tax is to put it on fuel. That way you can't avoid it as you pay it every time you use your car, the more you use your car the more you pay, the big gas guzzlers pay more, the Sunday motorist pays less, there would be no need for SORNs, foreign trucks would pay and you wouldn't need a licensing division to collect the tax. The perfect solution. However, they would lose out on the windfall tax scam we are currently discussing. Tw4ts, the lot of them.

 

[drewf]

I've never understood why that hasn't been possible in the past either, and the flimsy argument about having the tax disc to prove that MoT and insurance are in place has just evaporated - clearly the police don't need to see a circle of paper in the windscreen to work out whether a car is legally on the road or not. The whole collection system could be simply taken away and added to the already existing tax at the pump scheme. Millions saved.

On the other hand, foreign trucks still wouldn't be paying anything, as they fill up with cheap continental diesel before hitting our shores. I can't imagine many of them have to buy a drop here.

 

[EXCF350]

I agree with the comments but there is an advantage of the new system. I sold a motorcycle to the local bike shop and they did the tax refund online. Less than a week later I got a refund cheque from the DVLA. No forms to fill in, attach tax disc to or post. Much easier.

 

[gingeh721]

They still show as taxed on the system until the DVLA get the paperwork through, assuming they are actually taxed in the first place.

Exactly. I bought a runabout on the 3rd of Feb. I tried to tax it on line on the DVLA site many times over February, but it stated it was already taxed.

Once the new V5 came through over three weeks later, it allowed me to tax the vehicle using the new V5 Serial number. The serial number from the tear-off hadn't worked. That was around the 26th Feb. So I'm guessing that the previous owner (prior to the garage I bought it from) had a rebate for the month of February and I was charged for the whole of February.

 

[2b1ask1]

Agree with the sentiment: road tax is redundant and only serves to make money as described ad nausium. It should be entirely on fuel and ring fenced for road repairs/improvements. Abolishing the paper disk has dissolved the augment about MOT & insurance check, this is all online anyway. Yes it needs a legal challenge and the simple answer in the meantime is a 365 system at the end of the day the computers don't need to 'overlap' tax, it should be an instantaneous system.

We should blockade Dover and Folkstone ( not Benny).

 

[TridentTested]

Agree with the sentiment: road tax is redundant and only serves to make money as described ad nausium. It should be entirely on fuel and ring fenced for road repairs/improvements.

I totally agree with it being on fuel, and I say that as someone who often sees single figures on my mpg readout. But I can't agree with it bing ring-fenced; taxation has to go into the community pot to be used for the common good. Would you have the NHS only funded by sick people?ß

 

[Blondie]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ands-new-owners-caught-tax-disc-loophole.html

What a joke!!!!

 

[rockits]

I agree that a good way is for all motoring tax to be on fuel. The more you use the more you pay. Is pretty fair for most. If you do many miles but use a newer or more efficient vehicle you get more of a benefit which makes sense.
I'm sure some would lose out & some gain but on the whole it seems a better concept to me. I have said it for years.
The old polluting vehicles before March 2006 pay less car tax at the mo which I have benefitted from for a long time but makes no sense. I know they had to have a cut off but an identical car registered one week apart pays a massively different rate. Makes no sense & abolishing car tax & having it on fuel would eradicate these anomalies.

 

[Contigo]

Why am I not at all surprised by that?

 

[GTMalc]

Just received a phone call from the DVLA requesting payment for the month of February (bought it on the 21st of Feb) as I had been driving it during that month. Leaves a bad taste. I'm expecting a fine next.....

I'd have thought that since the system is still relatively new and you obviously were not aware then they would let you off.
My father died a couple of years ago and his car, an original Mini was sat on the drive with his insurance and road fund licence under his name. My Mum should have SORN'd it straight away, but had other things on her mind. She got a rude letter off the DVLA when they notified her or rather my dad that his road tax was due even after she explained the situation. Eventually they were very apologetic. They were at one time talking about a fine.