Advice for Pensions!!

D Walker

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Dem, pensions cost a huge amount when you do not earn much, but simple advice is to start as soon as possible that way you get more out.

If you can look at alternative funding streams or topping up with AVCs when/if you earn a bonus or are left anything.

I will have a small pension despite paying in since 18, and have had the bitter pill recently of having to pay in more, for an extra 8 years, and now retire at 67!...so much for Civil Service gold plate pensions!

Re the state pension...it will stop growing soon as the triple lock is unsustainable...if I get anything from the state in 22 years I will be shocked.

Exactly why my wife has left after 31 years, they keep moving the goalposts, when she got her forecast, I made the decision for her really, even found her a new job, pay will be better in 3 months as well, pension will be worth nothing but she is so much happier than the last few years as a civil servant!!
 

rockits

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I didn't worry about pensions when I was younger but have always saved and not blown all my money. I have focused on moving up the housing ladder and getting the mortgage paid off asap. However in recent years it makes less sense so have maxed what house we could buy to have a max max max mortgage while interest rates are low. Hopefully the property will increase by more than any old property we would have been if we hadn't pulled our fingers out of our ar5es.

I have a couple of old company pensions sitting static, a various small bits of money in premium bonds, cash ISA's, investment ISA's, some shares, some cash and a few cars. All in all it won't add up to enough to support us.

The next 5 years are key as I semi retire at 50! Need to build/sell some houses. Maybe even sell a business or 3 would be a bonus.

I am not planning for the govt to support me/us for even 1p when the time comes. They have done jack sh1t all through my life to date and I only see it getting worse. In the main the country is run by idiots who couldn't run a p1ss up in a brewery. Why could they successfully invest and make a sound return for a decent pension. Exactly, they can't. It will all be ripped out of the system by corruption and all sorts.

I have never relied on the govt ever for anything for the last 45 years. The next 45 even less so and will be no different.

To me pensions per se are a flawed and archaic concept. The idea should be the same but don't in any way that works. By gold....buy cars...property. I don't have all the answers by any stretch. I just don't trust the govt or anyone in the finance sector. I know enough people in finance who earn a fortune for not really doing much in terms of intrinsic or useful value to society. With all that money coming out of your pension pots, management fees and cr4p returns even though they have actually made a fortune using your money as cheap finance to me that is why it is flawed.

I wish I had kept all my old flats and rented them or bought commercial property but I just wasn't brought up with that mindset and worked it out a little late for myself.

It makes me laugh that the govt publish papers that tell us...the people....to eat this....don't eat that...do this....have a compulsory pension system when they have no clue what they are doing.

The new pension system is a pathetic attempt to right many years of wrongs. It doesn't do enough or quick enough and will just be an excuse to reduce govt pension burdens and payouts in the future.

It is another stealth tax and another example that through idiots that have no clue what they are doing and chronic inefficiency that you'lI lose out again. The gravy trains carries on for many who benefit from it however at the expense of the uneducated. Very sad and very poor.
 

CatmanV2

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Dem, can understand you are reluctant to spend money but a couple of hundred quid with an independent adviser is a small price to pay to get advice specific to your situation

This. With bells on. Seriously

Personally I'm not going to retire. I'm going to pimp myself out at unfeasible day rates until I drown in fine red wine an single malt :D

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rockits

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This. With bells on. Seriously

Personally I'm not going to retire. I'm going to pimp myself out at unfeasible day rates until I drown in fine red wine an single malt :D

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That might be an option I might explore at some point 800-1000 per day isn't bad with virtually zero costs.
 

MrMickS

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This. With bells on. Seriously

Personally I'm not going to retire. I'm going to pimp myself out at unfeasible day rates until I drown in fine red wine an single malt :D

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Likewise unless this little venture takes off as it could and I end up a millionaire. As long as I have enough money to keep me in nice Italian cars I'll be fine.


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philw696

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Interesting reading and thoughts.
I for one would never trust a financial advisor ever again as I have found to my cost a lot are liars and cheats who make a nice living of your hard earned.
In 2012 I had a fund worth 125 k and now worth nothing and has been an ongoing saga with City of London Action Fraud Squad but it's going no where.
The guy is still in business has a Facebook page but gets out of going to court at the last minute just costing the Country more tax payers money.
Most of what else I had gone through divorce but hey ho still got my Maserati and my few other trinkets.
Got my Snapon tools and hands so I know what I'm doing.
 

rockits

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Interesting reading and thoughts.
I for one would never trust a financial advisor ever again as I have found to my cost a lot are liars and cheats who make a nice living of your hard earned.
In 2012 I had a fund worth 125 k and now worth nothing and has been an ongoing saga with City of London Action Fraud Squad but it's going no where.
The guy is still in business has a Facebook page but gets out of going to court at the last minute just costing the Country more tax payers money.
Most of what else I had gone through divorce but hey ho still got my Maserati and my few other trinkets.
Got my Snapon tools and hands so I know what I'm doing.

Sorry to hear that Phil. That is certainly my case and point. Dirty robbing bar stewards. Any get caught...go to jail....anything change....NO.

How many people went to jail for all the criminality that went on during the Lehman Bros disaster? Errr....ONE....ONE....one guy from Credits Suisse.

You certainly better off now Phil....Snap On in hand and leaving the dream
 

Needamaser

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Interesting reading and thoughts.
I for one would never trust a financial advisor ever again as I have found to my cost a lot are liars and cheats who make a nice living of your hard earned.
In 2012 I had a fund worth 125 k and now worth nothing and has been an ongoing saga with City of London Action Fraud Squad but it's going no where.
The guy is still in business has a Facebook page but gets out of going to court at the last minute just costing the Country more tax payers money.
Most of what else I had gone through divorce but hey ho still got my Maserati and my few other trinkets.
Got my Snapon tools and hands so I know what I'm doing.
Can understand why you wouldn't be keen on going there again but from my reading of it Dem isnt looking to invest a large lump sum. He is needing someone to explain the options and benefits and pitfalls. If it was me I would be getting a recommendation from a friend who to use. There are still a number of long established small firms who live on their reputation. Don't know if they still do it but they used to offer 30 minutes free advice. If that is still an option go and speak to them and see if you feel you can trust them. Make sure you use someone who is independent and not tied to one or two companies.
I went to one 3 years ago and he basically told me not to waste my money on a pension and did no business with him but I would go back to him because I know he wasn't trying to sell me something.
 

allandwf

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I have three pensions at the moment, like some, a mixture of final salary, defined benefits, 17 years, 8 years, and current one. I have found a major stumbling block to be the pension providers themselves, releasing information is so slow!
 

Dan!

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Cheer up Dem, you might be dead before you reach pension age. Problem solved.
 

Ebenezer

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I went to one 3 years ago and he basically told me not to waste my money on a pension and did no business with him but I would go back to him because I know he wasn't trying to sell me something.

Why was it going to be a waste? Just interested - Seeing an IFA in a couple of weeks
Eb
 

philw696

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Just checked my emails and the Court was booked for 10 days in January this year.
Not seen anything in my news feeds so I have just emailed the guy dealing with my case to see if anything happened.
Fingers crossed.
 

spkennyuk

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Mate do the LISA, pay into it as much as you can and draw it on your 60th birthday. I am paying into it the max £4k a year for the government to pay me £1000 so it is effectively a 25% bonus on savings every year.

"The Lifetime ISA is designed for two specific purposes. The first is for first-time buyers to use towards a residential property, and that can be done at any time, provided the Lifetime ISA's been held for 12 months or more. The second is to take out and use in retirement once you hit age 60. With both, there is no tax to pay on it when you take the money out."

http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/savings/lifetime-ISAs

The only thing with lifetime Isa's is that if you are forced to draw money out before 60 if its for a pension then you get hit with a 25% penalty. So £100 paid in becomes £75. I stress its only if you have to withdraw funds before your 60. So even after you have got the annual 25% bonus you would end up with less money than you put in after the penalty. £100 becomes £125 after getting the bonus but is reduced to £93.75 if you have to withdraw funds early for any reason such as redundancy, ill health and so on.

Your £4k example becomes £5k with bonus but only £3.75k if you have to remove funds before you reach 60 years old.
 

casadalloro

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Have small old work pension and we went buying houses route... sell em when we run short....but renovation on the 1 in italy is a money pit!!, though rather nice for holidays and its brings rental money in may to sept. 1 in donegal didnt cost
a lot(but isnt worth a lot!!) property market terrible there...!! But again brings holiday rental money in.. house we are living in in newtownards is fine..at least its worth a lot more than we bought it for!!

Luckily have a friend that does our financial stuff..she is 100% and keeps us right inc health cover..that im using now while getting chemo...

An IFA that is recommended by a (good reliable) friend is the way to go i reckon...i can give you details of ours!

Good luck with it..its a challenge to find out whats right for you....
 

dem maser

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Employer can opt out?
I was about to have a meeting with him and tell him i want it

Thank you guys, some food for thought there, will end up seeking professional advice on this then so i can get a better understanding but at the mo im feeling a little down as some rough figures show that if im putting in £200 (cant afford more) every month im looking at getting similar back when i retire so im still fooked....oh well Le Mans upto 65 years old then ill cut back
 

allandwf

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How do you get the pension firms to release details of your pot/funds? I've been waiting 3 months now since asking.
 

CatmanV2

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Employer can opt out?
I was about to have a meeting with him and tell him i want it

Thank you guys, some food for thought there, will end up seeking professional advice on this then so i can get a better understanding but at the mo im feeling a little down as some rough figures show that if im putting in £200 (cant afford more) every month im looking at getting similar back when i retire so im still fooked....oh well Le Mans upto 65 years old then ill cut back

Employ*ee* can opt out. Employer cannot

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