THE FUTURE vs THE PAST!!

[keith]

The other day I was parked in St John’s Wood in London.
Like so many drivers, I was taking advantage of the benefits of having an EV.
For me to park for four hours less than a Pound, plus no Congestion Charge.
For the driver of the Maserati parked behind, unless he was a resident - considerably more!!
Although looking at his front wing, he has got some far bigger bills to worry about!!
That said as of the 18th March, my smugness came to an end when City of Westminster hiked all the parking charges for EV’s, and from the end of next year the exemption from Congestion Charge also finishes!!
On a more serious note, I for one am certainly not environmentally conscious, but changed to an EV as it represents the future for car ownership, and all the technology that it brings. Probably because I’m shallow and materialistic, impressing passers by with the remote parking feature is an added bonus …
However it remains crazy that as someone who can afford an expensive new EV, I pay less in parking and driving in central London, than the driver of an older car who can’t afford to make the switch.

 

[dem maser]

I’m not far from there, come by next time

 

[safrane]

Prefer the past, both in cars, art and architecture. Modern stuff is mainly a fad, poorly designed and constructed to the lowest £, as well as made to meet the desires of those with little if any taste. It will never last more than a few years before looking like the **** it is.

Whilst I appreciate how energy is used has advanced significantly, why is it packaged so hideously ( and I am not just referring to cars). Upvc windows, Heat Pumps, energy efficient buildings as well as EVs just lack style.

We could learn so much from the past, but sadly we just run to the future with eyes closed to style, substance and longevity.

 

[DLax69]

Prefer the past, both in cars, art and architecture. Modern stuff is mainly a fad, poorly designed and constructed to the lowest £, as well as made to meet the desires of those with little if any taste. It will never last more than a few years before looking like the **** it is.

Whilst I appreciate how energy is used has advanced significantly, why is it packaged so hideously ( and I am not just referring to cars). Upvc windows, Heat Pumps, energy efficient buildings as well as EVs just lack style.

We could learn so much from the past, but sadly we just run to the future with eyes closed to style, substance and longevity.

So true. A litany of things now with "planned obsolescence." And even passive heating/cooling (related to construction) is a lost art...

 

[keith]

I’m not far from there, come by next time

Rite, I was visiting the Wellington hospital with my wife...

 

[keith]

Prefer the past, both in cars, art and architecture. Modern stuff is mainly a fad, poorly designed and constructed to the lowest £, as well as made to meet the desires of those with little if any taste. It will never last more than a few years before looking like the **** it is.

Whilst I appreciate how energy is used has advanced significantly, why is it packaged so hideously ( and I am not just referring to cars). Upvc windows, Heat Pumps, energy efficient buildings as well as EVs just lack style.

We could learn so much from the past, but sadly we just run to the future with eyes closed to style, substance and longevity.

But I suppose its how you define the past...some would say anything produced in the last 20-30 years is total ****, and you have to go back further to get decent quality.
All I can do is look at the evidence from owning 'the future' for twenty months in the shape of the Genesis, and compare it with cars I've owned in the past. To me the Electrified G80 is the modern day interpretation of my first Jaguar - a 1995 X300 XJ6. In that the Genesis offers all the refinement luxury and presence of the XJ, but unlike what the 'rose tinted spectacle' brigade think about old cars, absolute bullet proof reliability with a level of technology that means, thanks to autonomous tech, on a long journey the driver is almost along for the ride whilst enjoying a massage and listening to music from the 'Reference' standard stereo, with the car doing all the hard work of driving. So staying in Lane adjusting speed to the vehicle ahead and the posted speed limit signs, and even changing lane for is all done by the car, along with even parking for you when you get out and close the drivers door.
Finally, and judging by the endless compliments the car gets from passers-by, if this is the future then I'm inclined to beg to differ with your view. BTW if something does go wrong I'm covered by a five year warranty with collection and delivery via covered transporter with courtesy car, which along with five years free servicing all comes as standard...
Years ago getting into a car which doesn't start in the cold and wet, and is a virtual death trap thanks to lousy crash protection and a complete lack of safety aids really is something that I'm keen to 'enjoy' and should really stay in the past!

 

[CatmanV2]

But I suppose its how you define the past...some would say anything produced in the last 20-30 years is total ****, and you have to go back further to get decent quality.
All I can do is look at the evidence from owning 'the future' for twenty months in the shape of the Genesis, and compare it with cars I've owned in the past. To me the Electrified G80 is the modern day interpretation of my first Jaguar - a 1995 X300 XJ6. In that the Genesis offers all the refinement luxury and presence of the XJ, but unlike what the 'rose tinted spectacle' brigade think about old cars, absolute bullet proof reliability with a level of technology that means, thanks to autonomous tech, on a long journey the driver is almost along for the ride whilst enjoying a massage and listening to music from the 'Reference' standard stereo, with the car doing all the hard work of driving. So staying in Lane adjusting speed to the vehicle ahead and the posted speed limit signs, and even changing lane for is all done by the car, along with even parking for you when you get out and close the drivers door.
Finally, and judging by the endless compliments the car gets from passers-by, if this is the future then I'm inclined to beg to differ with your view. BTW if something does go wrong I'm covered by a five year warranty with collection and delivery via covered transporter with courtesy car, which along with five years free servicing all comes as standard...
Years ago getting into a car which doesn't start in the cold and wet, and is a virtual death trap thanks to lousy crash protection and a complete lack of safety aids really is something that I'm keen to 'enjoy' and should really stay in the past!

Hindsight is 20/20

C

 

[Scaf]

I agree it’s odd that you can park an electric car cheaper than any other car, it’s off the ved is cheaper and completely bonkers that there is no benefit in kind tax to pay for company vehicles.
It’s also unfair that councils are spending ££££’s on charging points whales reducing the number of spaces available overall.

I can well afford to make the swap to electric but have chosen not to, but such a change over should not be subsidised by everyone else.

 

[Gooner]

Even worse, EV use is mainly subsidised by those who can’t afford to buy one.

 

[safrane]

I don't think anything made today is the future, obsolescence is designed in and after <5 years most will fail or slow down to a crawl.

We are just sold the 'must have' to get us to part with more money.

 

[lozcb]

But I suppose its how you define the past...some would say anything produced in the last 20-30 years is total ****, and you have to go back further to get decent quality.
All I can do is look at the evidence from owning 'the future' for twenty months in the shape of the Genesis, and compare it with cars I've owned in the past. To me the Electrified G80 is the modern day interpretation of my first Jaguar - a 1995 X300 XJ6. In that the Genesis offers all the refinement luxury and presence of the XJ, but unlike what the 'rose tinted spectacle' brigade think about old cars, absolute bullet proof reliability with a level of technology that means, thanks to autonomous tech, on a long journey the driver is almost along for the ride whilst enjoying a massage and listening to music from the 'Reference' standard stereo, with the car doing all the hard work of driving. So staying in Lane adjusting speed to the vehicle ahead and the posted speed limit signs, and even changing lane for is all done by the car, along with even parking for you when you get out and close the drivers door.
Finally, and judging by the endless compliments the car gets from passers-by, if this is the future then I'm inclined to beg to differ with your view. BTW if something does go wrong I'm covered by a five year warranty with collection and delivery via covered transporter with courtesy car, which along with five years free servicing all comes as standard...
Years ago getting into a car which doesn't start in the cold and wet, and is a virtual death trap thanks to lousy crash protection and a complete lack of safety aids really is something that I'm keen to 'enjoy' and should really stay in the past!

To be fair and unbiased you forgot to add the Jaguar will still have the ability to be running with average affordable maintenance in 20/30 years time , whereas the Genesis will have passed its expiry date once the battery has exceeded its limit , cost of replacing said battery will far out way the cars value ( probably by several times) probably inside 10 years, with the justification pushing EV's as all part of the greener option Im failing to see the logic , when far more of the worlds resources are being used up and having one way or another going to landfill at greater cost . I still to this day feel that we are all being led down the same Beta versus VHS path all over again where neither won through , logic says hydrogen is the way forward IMHO

 

[schell70]

He's a resident, it's always parked in that street whenever I go to the Wellington - and of course ULEZ compliant. In fact the last time I went I took the GT as the Mrs diesel Merc isn't compliant

 

[rockits]

For me the mid 2000's is the sweet spot for cars. I have a 4200 from 2005, and E55K Estate from 2005, an Alfa GT from 2005, a Hyundai Coupe from 2005. Just sold a Cayenne last year from 2005 and felt it was a great car.

Can you see a theme appearing?

For me the mid 2000's created cars that were well built, built to last, good to drive, more analogue feeling, not too complex, not too heavy, fairly safe with decent useful/valuable safety features and sound good.

I'm happy to stick in this period of time for as long as I can.

 

[Phil H]

Imagine making this with EV's:

 

[lozcb]

Imagine making this with EV's:

When the hunter becomes the hunted lol

 

[keith]

To be fair and unbiased you forgot to add the Jaguar will still have the ability to be running with average affordable maintenance in 20/30 years time , whereas the Genesis will have passed its expiry date once the battery has exceeded its limit , cost of replacing said battery will far out way the cars value ( probably by several times) probably inside 10 years, with the justification pushing EV's as all part of the greener option Im failing to see the logic , when far more of the worlds resources are being used up and having one way or another going to landfill at greater cost . I still to this day feel that we are all being led down the same Beta versus VHS path all over again where neither won through , logic says hydrogen is the way forward IMHO

I think your way off the mark when you say ten years. There are still plenty of electric cars a **** of a lot older still being perfectly viable. Also a point that seems to be forgotten is, in the future the aftermarket battery replacement business which is still in its infancy, will by necessity and demand, have taken off, and secondly the cost of the raw materials will be completely altered as industry identifies an enormous worldwide market for replacement batteries, probably with the sourcing of different elements to achieve the same solution.
Eitherway, by then even sourcing fuel for ICE vehicles will become increasingly difficult, as the numbers dwindle with their increasing obscelesence. Any fuel that is produced will be prohibitively expensive, and the taxation placed on the use of ICE cars designed to ensure the owners simply can't afford to use them.
They will become something akin to Steam engines a curiosity from a bygone era, but always attracting attention when there used by the handful of owners that can afford to run one.
Like the transition from steam to diesel and electric on the railways, there will be die hard enthusiasts that claim nothing can compete with the traditional sound of the ICE.

 

[DLax69]

For me the mid 2000's is the sweet spot for cars. I have a 4200 from 2005, and E55K Estate from 2005, an Alfa GT from 2005, a Hyundai Coupe from 2005. Just sold a Cayenne last year from 2005 and felt it was a great car.

Can you see a theme appearing?

For me the mid 2000's created cars that were well built, built to last, good to drive, more analogue feeling, not too complex, not too heavy, fairly safe with decent useful/valuable safety features and sound good.

I'm happy to stick in this period of time for as long as I can.

This. ABS, but no subscription for the butt warmers.

 

[lozcb]

I think your way off the mark when you say ten years. There are still plenty of electric cars a **** of a lot older still being perfectly viable. Also a point that seems to be forgotten is, in the future the aftermarket battery replacement business which is still in its infancy, will by necessity and demand, have taken off, and secondly the cost of the raw materials will be completely altered as industry identifies an enormous worldwide market for replacement batteries, probably with the sourcing of different elements to achieve the same solution.
Eitherway, by then even sourcing fuel for ICE vehicles will become increasingly difficult, as the numbers dwindle with their increasing obscelesence. Any fuel that is produced will be prohibitively expensive, and the taxation placed on the use of ICE cars designed to ensure the owners simply can't afford to use them.
They will become something akin to Steam engines a curiosity from a bygone era, but always attracting attention when there used by the handful of owners that can afford to run one.
Like the transition from steam to diesel and electric on the railways, there will be die hard enthusiasts that claim nothing can compete with the traditional sound of the ICE.

The same will also be for electric cars , they will aslo be too expensive and not for the masses which i think is the intention , without the financial incentives EV's would never have made it on their own in the market place and survived followed by heaps of world wide flawed government intervention , hence the heavy taxation on ice vehicles , but where my friend do you think all that taxation will be directed once all the Ice vehicles have disappeared and no more revenues for the coffers ......they will be coming at the EV owners , what happened to a free market place where products found there own market share .
Personally i would be all for EV's if they solved in part the problem that the governments say about the climate situation , especially as far as UK and Europe are concerned , But as time goes by its been quite evident the data and facts dont support the narrative . One only has to see the the numbers of EV sales the dealers are selling and how stocks and imports have built up in the ports to over flowing with non selling EV's the people have cottoned and are voting with their feet , i have an uncanny feeling its all going to end up with people and companies making rather heavy losses.

 

[philw696]

Some Great comments here and thanks @keith for starting the thread.
When I was in New Zealand there were many Toyota Prius on the roads the original one and the majority Japanese throw outs of which NZ has lots.
Most of them the batteries were shot and they were running on the ICE which shows that Toyota build some very Good small petrol engines.
My whole life has been in the Motor trade as my father had Garages and for 46 years now on the spanners you all know I love mechanics.
Back to Keith and having a Jaguar X300 when they were new mine is now 28 years old and I bought it sight unseen in Spain and it was one of the cheapest available on the internet as per my norm.
The first journey for me was a 1,000 miles back to France and I enjoyed every moment and kept saying mentally why had I never bought one of these before as it really is a good car especially after having several earlier XK powered ones.
Parts availability is very Good.
Okay as I'm a mechanic and have my own fully kitted workshop it's easy for me to maintain.
I don't think I have rose tinted glasses I just still enjoy driving the full involvement of it with traditional technology and fettling the cars hence why I have my collection of oddball stuff as seen by many.

 

[dem maser]

EVs don’t work for me!
Thus I’d never buy one….
I have a 150 mile commute to pick up my daughter, then it’s another 150 miles to come home so 300 in total. Often this is with motorways being closed and diverted or just in slow traffic.
Now, what is the best REALISTIC car for range for sale? I’m guessing 300 miles
Heating /AC will be on etc

So I’ll be risking not getting back or asking the ex when I get there if I can recharge or worse still going to a station to recharge which will eat into my time and for what? A normal car that I use I get 50mpg out of

All seems a bit of a marketing and government ******** to me right now…..not against you guys who have one but what I’m saying is that it’s not for me. While it’s not for me it says to me that it’s not the future…….yet!