The end is nigh

Simon1963

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I can see the point of EV for town/short distances where you can charge at home over night. For example my wife has got a winter job travelling 10 miles from one side of the city to the other in her SLK 350 so approx a gallon of fuel a day. Now that would be a perfect trek for an EV. She doesn’t work all year round so not really an issue. But then you have the cost of the EV. £25,000 for a Nissan Leaf. They have their uses in today’s world but seems costly to me.
 

MarkMas

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It will take a step change in our (society) thinking; we currently consider driving our rite and so much so some of us have a vehicle for every occasion!

Our rite and our right!

Our children own their own, our partners and so it goes on. Particularly city dwellers will need to give up their cars,

My children (2 boys in their 20s living in cities) quickly gave up their (shared) car, realising that the cost (particularly insurance and parking) was prohibitive, but also that they didn't really need them. Urban public transport plus Uber is pretty good now, plus a proliferation of hiring and sharing schemes. They see no point at all on owning a car and see 'motoring' as a chore, not a freedom or a recreation.

...rural inhabitants will have to pear back their range of vehicles massively. If you consider 2020 to have been a social experiment I’m sure there are many out their have found virtual meetings just as effective as face to face and many, many less miles travelled by air and road with in many cases increased productivity!

I'm not sure that rural people typically have a 'range of vehicles' (although I'm pining for a Series 1 Ranger Rover for trips to the dump). but it will be a challenge depriving them of their cars as the public options are so much worse.
 

davy83

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Given the price of property they don't have the money or skills to fix them up so they want it ready to go, move your furniture in , turn on netflix and open the wine.

I've just looked at the figures to buy a 300k house today with a 70k deposit , 230k mortgage over 25 years

The repayments are £1152 a month at 3.5% , look at the bank of England base rate in the 80s and the difference those rates makes to the payments

Even if it goes up 1% it's £1278 , another £126 a month which could be enough to see them handing the keys in .

We were lucky to be born at a time when property was affordable and had no choice but to fix it up

My first house was a wreck , took me a year of evenings and weekends to transform it , I was 23, had some basic skills , learned the rest from a readers digest diy manual

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My first house was a terraced red brick house in Birmingham and it had no kitchen. I had to build a kitchen from scratch, and I never thought twice about it, just got on with it. i had just left uni and had no money, the house cost me £12k, and I made the kitchen units by hand out of the plywood packing cases that an electron microscope arrived in at work.
 

Wack61

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I paid 16k for a townhouse as they call them in kettering in 1983-4 , the previous owners had defaulted on the mortgage , living under 2 names , I had bailiffs and threatening letters for months

One of the ceilings was caving in , lath & lime so I pulled it in , i had a mate who was a plasterer so I got a bit carried away , removed every bit of lath from the house , ceilings, walls , I boarded it and he skimmed it

Fitted a bathroom , it had a cast iron bath that weighed a tonne , I couldn't work out how they'd got it in there , it was like they'd dangled it off a crane and built the house around it

I hit it with a sledge hammer one Sunday morning , too 3 or 4 whacks before it broke, doiinngggg doiinnggg doiinngg

Later that day I asked the neighbour if he'd heard it

Heard it , I was trying to shave at the time, I though the bathroom cabinet was going to vibrate off the wall
 

Hurricane52

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I reckon we are all being bullied into EVs because big business and governments want to force us down that route. They can always make the statistics work to their own pecuniary advantage. If they really do get carbon taxes for polluting businesses sorted out, it’ll be us who end up paying for them, with increased energy prices - wherever that energy comes from.

Whether you live in the city or boondocks, prices for stuff and for getting that stuff are only heading one way. As Mark E. Smith would occasionally say, “Where’s North from here?”
 

Oneball

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The big advantage of EV at the moment isnt about carbon it’s that they don’t produce population in towns, in some places pollution in towns is back to pre 1956 levels.
 

Oneball

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Pregnant from an EV......wtf are they thinking ,.....ban them now....

Bloody apple keeps changing my chuffing words. We’re going to end up in WW3 coz someone’s iPhone changes the words. Grockles! Doesn’t like that word bet Jobs is turning in his grave. I’ll say it again grockles, grockles, grockles.
 

alfatwo

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Bloody apple keeps changing my chuffing words. We’re going to end up in WW3 coz someone’s iPhone changes the words. Grockles! Doesn’t like that word bet Jobs is turning in his grave. I’ll say it again grockles, grockles, grockles.
First of all don't ever get involved in social media, its of no use to anyone, even less if your a muppet!

Dave
 

Oneball

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First of all don't ever get involved in social media, its of no use to anyone, even less if your a muppet!

Dave

Not on anything social media wise unless you count here but it’s hardly wise! I do occasionally wonder if Benny is actually a 12 year old Chinese boy in Jinzgou but his dislike of SUVs makes it more likely he’s a 17 year old Swedish girl.
 

safrane

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Note that the BBC is reporting 1/2 of UK cars will need to be electric to meet our 2030 targets... not long for that then.
 

Wack61

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Bring it on , if the Chinese can sell these for £47,000 in China and you can charge them for a few quid what's not to like
I'd happily give up the petrol engine if these were available in the UK , already for sale in Norway so it won't be long before they're here

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Davidt99

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Just watched the latest Harry's Garage EV video. Interesting viewpoint but I couldn't help thinking how easy it will be for the millionaire Harry to have multiple EV's and his classic car collection all at the same time. His objective is running the EV's with zero emissions but will require a solar panel array installed on his classic car barn roof costing many thousands of pounds. Shame we aren't all millionaires.