Something 612-related I wrote a while ago...

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Not to put a fly in the QP ointment but a very good 166 3.2 is up for grabs at the moment. £8k but it’s had a **** of a lot of work done.
nice for what they are (especially with a Busso) but incomparable to a QPV (front/mid Ferrari engine £100k RWD low volume Maserati vs mass produced FWD Chroma/Saab 9000 platform based £30k car?). They may have ended up at similar value to buy but I don't see them as in the same class.
 

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Fully agree it's just that silk wears out rather more quickly than cotton. Show me the man maths to justify 30k miles a year in a QPV. Please!
Easy - just compare it to the costs of running a FF/GT Lusso!
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I get it; I know that First Class is 5x Economy ticket but compared to Net Jets it is a bargain....I can see where you are coming from but....
 

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Yeah it’s a tricky one, one I’ve thought about.
I guess my argument is that for £8k you’re going to be buying the best 166 there is (you’d hope) whereas an £8k QPV... is less likely to be the best there is, putting it mildly.
Then there’s the running of them. Neither is particularly cheap nor simple, but the Maserati is on a whole different level.

Then again I saw this at the forthcoming Anglia Car Auctions sale and had a moment of ‘what’s the worst that could happen?’
 
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Guy

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Yeah it’s a tricky one, one I’ve thought about.
I guess my argument is that for £8k you’re going to be buying the best 166 there is (you’d hope) whereas an £8k QPV... is less likely to be the best there is, putting it mildly.
Then there’s the running of them. Neither is particularly cheap nor simple, but the Maserati is on a whole different level.

Then again I saw this at the forthcoming Anglia Car Auctions sale and had a moment of ‘what’s the worst that could happen?’
And it is a Sport GT, which according to Mr Maserati (RG) is the one to have - better handling and faster changes and still the dry sump engine and rear transmission. A purist QPV. I guess like any QPV buy, an inspection is essential or you could be looking at £10k to put it right. Rusty subframe has to be the first big question? Does the history suggest recent brakes/suspension?
 

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And it is a Sport GT, which according to Mr Maserati (RG) is the one to have - better handling and faster changes and still the dry sump engine and rear transmission. A purist QPV. I guess like any QPV buy, an inspection is essential or you could be looking at £10k to put it right. Rusty subframe has to be the first big question? Does the history suggest recent brakes/suspension?
Sadly it’s an auction so chances to get it on a ramp are unlikely, not that I have the liquidity to purchase at the moment.
 

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Fully agree it's just that silk wears out rather more quickly than cotton. Show me the man maths to justify 30k miles a year in a QPV. Please!
Easy - just compare it to the costs of running a FF/GT Lusso!
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At 30k miles a year, I imagine most v8/v12 cars would incur some massive costs!

But when you had your FF I imagine you had the 7 year service pack, so besides depreciation, fuel, and insurance I can't imagine the costs are that much higher relative to a 4.7 Maserati?

For comparison sake over the 4 years I've owned my QP the average spend each year (ex-Insurance, Fuel and Depreciation) has been c.£2-3k. Last year (2019) spent almost £7k on my QP keeping it tip top (granted that included a few non essentials such as Apple Car Play upgrade, but doesn't include Insurance, Fuel or even depreciation).
 

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Sadly it’s an auction so chances to get it on a ramp are unlikely, not that I have the liquidity to purchase at the moment.
Have only owned the Sport GT so relying on comments from folks I have met. Seems this car answered a few questions asked by initial wave of purchasers. Faster gear change being the main one. Few commented that steering wheel is meatier (thicker?) and interior 'smarter'. My own has the carbon option which does lift things. Any QP interior is already a special place so not really needed for me. The 20" wheels seem to help to looks. Something subtle done to noise emissions too, certainly has OEM X-pipe but possibly modified silencer?
The price of entry is warranted by the dry sump engine. The sheer lunacy of a cam kick at 5200 rpm still makes me properly laugh out loud. Only really feel and hear it to full effect with car empty, even one passenger blunts the effect. You will just have to take my word for it.
The Achilles heel is skyhook on all these cars, only Sport GTS had the non-active suspension. The ride on GTS is by far the most satisfying combination of compliance and control.
 

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quite a spread of interesting cars at the next anglia auction, include five Maserati. One of my childhood favourites too - only room for three people too.
 

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nice for what they are (especially with a Busso) but incomparable to a QPV (front/mid Ferrari engine £100k RWD low volume Maserati vs mass produced FWD Chroma/Saab 9000 platform based £30k car?). They may have ended up at similar value to buy but I don't see them as in the same class.
I had a 166 3.2 a good few years ago, in fact it was the exact one used in a fifth gear episode and a feature in autoitalia magazine with a 164 and a 159 after I sold it.
Whilst not a quattroporte of course, it was still a lovely car, plus being a 3.2 it was also a manual, as they all were, I do love a manual sports saloon.
Also when I say all, they only sold about 40 in the the uk, so a very rare car, even more so than my QP GTS with about 60 sold!
 

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Well its finally time for my 612 to be sold. Nearly 4 and a half years of heaven but things change. Its a 2004, Tour de france Blu, crema leather & blue stitching. 45630 miles. Bought from the Ferrari Center in Kent. Nathan used it and wrote the article in Modern Classics so there are some nice words about it. I am toying with selling privately or through one of the new online auction companies. I will make the decision this week. Ideally one of the forum guys would be easiest, so just a bit of advanced notice If anyone is interested let me know. I will be looking for £50k ish. which I think is not being at all greedy. It will be serviced again on Monday. I am in Essex CM3 postcode.
 

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Well not 100% sure. I like the Aston Rapide, I also like the Gran Turismo. Nr 1 choice would be a shamal but thats too much of a stretch now. So we will see.
 

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That looks great and price is not silly either, sell SZ and I'm there until the Irish revenue take about the same in duty - somethings about living here can be a pain
 

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Well not 100% sure. I like the Aston Rapide, I also like the Gran Turismo. Nr 1 choice would be a shamal but thats too much of a stretch now. So we will see.
If you’re not bothered by LHD there are a couple in Europe that are in the €70k bracket and very good.
The one at Jorcar in Portugal is a very nice example, on good authority. EDIT: which has now sold.
 
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Alternatively, this is going through the Japanese auctions. Opening bid of £24k.
If you’re interested I can make inquiries.
 

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morning Nathan, well that looks interesting. It feels a bit reckless to buy sight unseen and I will have to sell the 612 to buy. Where do you think the bidding will be on the shamal ?
 

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morning Nathan, well that looks interesting. It feels a bit reckless to buy sight unseen and I will have to sell the 612 to buy. Where do you think the bidding will be on the shamal ?
I’m not sure but you can get a third party to set a bidding limit. They can also inspect it for you, though grade 3.5 and its description seems accurate.