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matt444jc10
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yeh we're going to try that, the registration is really old and isnt on the database online so will have to contact them direct. if we do find an owner, who is alive, theres going to be the issue of 20 years rent so either way i consider this a good find lol dont worry though, we have no intention of stealing it, the actual owner would at least know what hes doing with it. cant see them being on here tho, anyone lost a mazeratti kyalani?? lol
Khamsin433
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Hi Matt,
I'm with Paco on this one. They're not as sought after as De Tomaso re-engined his Longchamp with a Maserati lump to create the Kyalami (allegedly to use up V8's), I think they may have been sold side by side. But whilst a nice car to drive and reasonably well appointed when you read about in the mags, a V8 that hasn't turned over in 20 years is deffo going to need a rebuild. The head gasket(s) will more than likely be shot, and the first time it's fired up (if it can be) will wreck the internals. As with all such cars theres a load of process to follow to prevent any damage, such as oiling the bores, or turning it over by hand or on the starter without the coil connected to build up oil pressure and circulate it everywhere.
But the best way would be to take it apart and assess as firing it could cause damage that could make it a write off (especially items such as the crank). As per the link Frank sent for a mint running car up for around16K, a full V8 engine rebuild is currently costing me around 10K and the engine is not together yet so it's likely to go up. Therefore that leaves you 6K for the remainder of the car, not a good balance sheet. Whoever takes it on will be letting their heart rule the head unless they buy it at the right price and do all the work themselves.
My advice would be to see if you can turn the engine at the crankshaft pully (big socket and torque wrench, (can be made easier by removing the spark plugs), but then to leave well alone if you are not confident with the mechanical aspects and sell it as what it is the proverbial barn find but not with a siezed engine. If it's siezed, then only those experts int he field, or if you're lucky an engine (it's a wet sump unit) from Eurospares are the only options. But again that has it's associated costs which you may not want to incur.
I'm not sure about ownership laws, but since it's been stored on your site for so long just apply for the V5 and you will probably find that the DVLA will issue it to you in your name. (They do try to contact the previous owner but only give then a short grace period). Once you have the V5 in your name I should think you could sell it on, though an one with better knowledge of the workings of the law may be able to clarify this.
By the way, where abouts in the Midlands are you as I'm in Brum ?
I'm with Paco on this one. They're not as sought after as De Tomaso re-engined his Longchamp with a Maserati lump to create the Kyalami (allegedly to use up V8's), I think they may have been sold side by side. But whilst a nice car to drive and reasonably well appointed when you read about in the mags, a V8 that hasn't turned over in 20 years is deffo going to need a rebuild. The head gasket(s) will more than likely be shot, and the first time it's fired up (if it can be) will wreck the internals. As with all such cars theres a load of process to follow to prevent any damage, such as oiling the bores, or turning it over by hand or on the starter without the coil connected to build up oil pressure and circulate it everywhere.
But the best way would be to take it apart and assess as firing it could cause damage that could make it a write off (especially items such as the crank). As per the link Frank sent for a mint running car up for around16K, a full V8 engine rebuild is currently costing me around 10K and the engine is not together yet so it's likely to go up. Therefore that leaves you 6K for the remainder of the car, not a good balance sheet. Whoever takes it on will be letting their heart rule the head unless they buy it at the right price and do all the work themselves.
My advice would be to see if you can turn the engine at the crankshaft pully (big socket and torque wrench, (can be made easier by removing the spark plugs), but then to leave well alone if you are not confident with the mechanical aspects and sell it as what it is the proverbial barn find but not with a siezed engine. If it's siezed, then only those experts int he field, or if you're lucky an engine (it's a wet sump unit) from Eurospares are the only options. But again that has it's associated costs which you may not want to incur.
I'm not sure about ownership laws, but since it's been stored on your site for so long just apply for the V5 and you will probably find that the DVLA will issue it to you in your name. (They do try to contact the previous owner but only give then a short grace period). Once you have the V5 in your name I should think you could sell it on, though an one with better knowledge of the workings of the law may be able to clarify this.
By the way, where abouts in the Midlands are you as I'm in Brum ?
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Bal,
Selling it without making every reasonable attempt to locate the owner would be classed as 'Theft by finding'...a law aimed at people taking items of derelict sites and selling it on, most often used against those who take scrap off sites etc.
The has been no explenation as to how this was found. If the car was in a garage/barn of a house/farm then it is likely it will become the property of the new owners, however if it is a purchase of the rented building [Leasehold] then you would need to go via the courts and place a notice of forcloser on the said building with a period of notice time...after that I belive the car could be sold to cover the cost of storage...and the remainder held in trust for the rightful owner for a further period.
Selling it without making every reasonable attempt to locate the owner would be classed as 'Theft by finding'...a law aimed at people taking items of derelict sites and selling it on, most often used against those who take scrap off sites etc.
The has been no explenation as to how this was found. If the car was in a garage/barn of a house/farm then it is likely it will become the property of the new owners, however if it is a purchase of the rented building [Leasehold] then you would need to go via the courts and place a notice of forcloser on the said building with a period of notice time...after that I belive the car could be sold to cover the cost of storage...and the remainder held in trust for the rightful owner for a further period.
matt444jc10
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safrane i may be able to answer some if not most of your concerns,
the land in which the car was found has been owned by my family for over 75 years. the garage in which it was found has not been rented for over 20 years. the locking mechanism of the garage was replaced by another garage tennant (if that is the right choice of words) over concerns of the rapid deterioration of the previous lock, and this was over 15 years ago. knowone has approached us for access in that time. the only signs of ownership inside the car is a raffle ticket with a name on, to which we have not been successful in tracking down. i have searched the online dvla database to no avail. today we discovered a sticker which told us the dealership who sold it, the VIN has been passed on to them in an attempt to find the original owner. we are finding it difficult to find who this car came from, not through lack of trying though i mite add. even IF the owner was found, there is rental issues and other matters to discuss and so on...etc. i am not trying to claim the car on squatters rights or anything, mearly seeking advice on what we have come to believe COULD be a nice addition to someones collection.
the land in which the car was found has been owned by my family for over 75 years. the garage in which it was found has not been rented for over 20 years. the locking mechanism of the garage was replaced by another garage tennant (if that is the right choice of words) over concerns of the rapid deterioration of the previous lock, and this was over 15 years ago. knowone has approached us for access in that time. the only signs of ownership inside the car is a raffle ticket with a name on, to which we have not been successful in tracking down. i have searched the online dvla database to no avail. today we discovered a sticker which told us the dealership who sold it, the VIN has been passed on to them in an attempt to find the original owner. we are finding it difficult to find who this car came from, not through lack of trying though i mite add. even IF the owner was found, there is rental issues and other matters to discuss and so on...etc. i am not trying to claim the car on squatters rights or anything, mearly seeking advice on what we have come to believe COULD be a nice addition to someones collection.
Khamsin433
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Hi Safane,
Thanks for clearing up the legals. It does say on the V5 small print that the registered keeper is not necessarily the owner. This may explain why the DVLA would issue V5's with a small check with the previous owner. I have heard folk talk of some sort of grace period before you are ok to sell, but I wasn't sure how it all worked. Maybe a chat with the police would be useful, I'm sure they could advise and it wouldn't cost a penny.
Overall a strange one in that no one has asked for access in 15 odd years. As you suggested Matt is better off contacting the DVLA with the story, though not sure how readily they hand out personal info to individuals (I know they sell it on to firms quickly enough).
Matt, Hope you have luck in sorting out the ownership aspect of the car.
Thanks for clearing up the legals. It does say on the V5 small print that the registered keeper is not necessarily the owner. This may explain why the DVLA would issue V5's with a small check with the previous owner. I have heard folk talk of some sort of grace period before you are ok to sell, but I wasn't sure how it all worked. Maybe a chat with the police would be useful, I'm sure they could advise and it wouldn't cost a penny.
Overall a strange one in that no one has asked for access in 15 odd years. As you suggested Matt is better off contacting the DVLA with the story, though not sure how readily they hand out personal info to individuals (I know they sell it on to firms quickly enough).
Matt, Hope you have luck in sorting out the ownership aspect of the car.
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I think if Matt has documented evidence he has approached the DVLA, and done all that can be reasonably expected given the circumstances, he has nothing to fear. There are precedents where vehicles have been sold to cover unpaid rent and garage bills without recourse to the owner. £20 a month over the last 20 years would roughly equal the value of the car, (£5k?) and be a very reasonable rent.
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lozcb
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For a fee of £5.00 the dvla will furnish you with the last known recorded details , depending whether they feel your reasons for wanting such details are deemed valid and honourable , i have just done this and it seems you have a just cause
regards loz
safrane
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Tricky one this and sounds like a long story...which I do not expect to be aired in public.
Was there an origional rental agreement with one of your family as 20 years ago is a long time.
If rent is overdue on the property then as with rental on a house notice can be served by the local civil courts, sent to the origional renters adress and also pined to the property giving an eviction date. Anything left after that day could be sold to cover costs.
Was there an origional rental agreement with one of your family as 20 years ago is a long time.
If rent is overdue on the property then as with rental on a house notice can be served by the local civil courts, sent to the origional renters adress and also pined to the property giving an eviction date. Anything left after that day could be sold to cover costs.