It's ALIVE!!!!!

D4dawg

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Morning all:)

My baby, well.....
It's alive!!!
After more tests than private school
More symptoms than a hypocondriact
More new sensors and parts than a hospital tool kit

It's alive!!
Turns out that it was the wiring at my connectors to my sensors
that had come out or broken under the rubber boot protectors!!
So you would guess sensors all broken.

But after 4 months, many missed forum meets auto italia even silverstone
Classic all missed, my baby that has more wax than tusauds is back!!!

So... See you all sooooooon!!!!

Regards
Marc
Ps, have pics up of spyder under profile and thread spyder piccies:)
 

Andyk

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Great news Marc.......Bet you are happy again...You certainly sound it................How about joining the Llandow track day. WOuld be good to have a Bi turbo Spyder there.
 

D4dawg

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Hey guys big hugs for the replies!
After 4 months I'm one happy bunny, and it's sunnnnnnnny!!
So she's out on the road in an hour or so:)

As for track day, erm love my car too much to do that buddy, n mines a
94, one of 4 built and last 4 at that!
But is that a pic of yours in avatar?

As I do track work myself .
Isle of Arran huh?
Been there years ago- sleeping warrior.
Born in Hamilton and the girvan was a second home..
Love it there!

As for simple fix, it was in the end, but every test doesn't pick up the wires broken at connectors, until you peel back
Boots, and test from wire to same at ecu, fun:)

Sooo happy:)!!
 

conaero

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Thats brilliant Marc, I know when I say you at Ace earlier in the year you were pulling your hair out.

Can I ask, who was the person who actually discovered the fault and rectified it?
 

D4dawg

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Cheers buddy n yup !
Hair looks like golum from hobbits
As for who rectified it, more a combo of Zam of maserati forum,
My close friend John and help of duncan of England from same forum.
And my with all help together thinking it can only be the actual wiring from the
Sensors as all new and tried in other cars!

So went about testing wires from sensors to Ecus
And tadaa!
Broken wires.
As we were about to take injectors our thinking a blockage, but gladly I chose the easier option
And it worked!!!

Now one vvvvvv happy bunny and car!

Regards
Marc
 

lozcb

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As Enid Blyton would have said alls well thet ends well ...............great stuff mate , had that feeling a few times , when i bought my first masser , the reverse lever wasn't selecting reverse , checked the price and it was ££££££££££££££s played around for a few days and discopvered that the connector had actually come off its terminal ,probably due to its little knock , pushed it back on and hey presto freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee fix it was lovely ............ so enjoy it mate


regards loz
 

Duncanofengland

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Marc arrived at my workshop unannounced on Monday morning. He told me about his car and its problems and asked if I could help. I knew about this problem Maserati from the forum and was happy and willing to help a fellow enthusiast who'd had more than his fair share of problems.

The diagnosis reported by Marc was overfulleling, following battery removal and filling up with Tesco's petrol.

I invited him to bring his car to my workshop at 8am the next day.

Marc had spent a great deal of time and money on this problem, having changed many parts, including sensors all over the engine.

I found 3 damaged spark plug leads, which I replaced.

When I started the engine, it revved to about 3000rpm for a few seconds before settling to a very lumpy idle and stalling. The spark plugs were sooted up. It was impossible to maintain revs, even by feathering the throttle.

I thought that maybe the knock sensor was giving false readings, causing the engine to cut out, so we disconnected it and tried again.

This time, the engine hunted severly, seeming like it had a huge vacuum leak, so off came of the air plenum to reveal the vacuum pipe from the manifold. It was not disconnected or damaged in any way, so it was reassembled it and I clamped off the pipe to the brake servo just in case the servo had failed. This made no difference, so it was time to think again.

With the throttle position sensor disconnected, it was possible to hold the revs at about 3500 rpm, so I thought that the problem may be with that component.

We traced back the wires to the ECU and found no fault, so suspected the throttle position sensor (TPS).

The only one which I had to hand was in my Ghibli. That was removed and fitted to Marc's car. We fitted that and it did seem to make his car run a lot better.

I knew that I was getting a 222 4v in for breaking the next day, and it was nearly noon (I had to leave at 1pm), so I suggested that we call it a day. Marc helped me with some bits and pieces and I dropped him off home.

The next day the 222 4v arrived and Marc helped me with attempting to start it until eventually we gave up and offloaded the car as it was.

With another similar car, it was going to be a lot easier to crack Marc's probem.

Marc substituted the TPS from the 222 4v, but desite the diagnosis, the engine refused to behave, so we were back to square 1.

We substutued the ECUs from the 222 4v, but they made no difference, so we then traced the wires back from the TPS to the ECU, but that all good.

We were running out of ideas, so screwed glass spark plug into #1 cylinder to observe the spark.

As soon as the engine fired, the mixture was rich, as you would expect, and sooned leaned down to give a healthy blue flame. After this, the flame became progressively weak, until the flame died, except for the odd random burn. This was associated with a slight rise in RPM. When the trottle was opened even slightly, the engine immediately stalled, so I concluded that the mixture was weak. As a corollary to this, Marc had observed that the engine would run well with Easy Start sprayed into the air intake. We decided that we may have an underfuelling problem.

It was close to 1pm again, so we decided that it would be best to leave it for today and swap out the fuel injectors from the 222 4v the next day.

The next day, when Marc arrived at 8am, he spoken to someone the day before, who had convinced him that it couldn't be the injectors, so we decided not to go down that route.

We were both stuck for ideas, but since Marc had brought with him a crankshaft/camshaft position sensor, we set our sights on getting the 222 4v running. The fault lay in the crankshaft position sensor and lack of electricity supply to the fuel pump. With these sorted, the engine soon settled down to a smooth idle. When the engine was up to temperature, I pulled off the connector to the air flow meter, the engine started to stumble, in fact it sounded just like Marc's at idle.

This was the clue to the solution. We substitued the air temperature sender, but it made no difference. We peeled back the wires on the back of the connector and tested for continuity to the ECU, but it was all good.

We then substituted the water temperature sensor from the 222 4v. No change, so we peeled back the wires on the connector to find them all frayed and maybe broken. When these were repaired, the engine failed to run at all when the plug was connected to the sensor, so we checked and re-checked the connections. All good, so what next?

The next in line was the MAP sensor. One wire was broken. This had to be it! Once this was repaired the engine ran just as it should. Marc was elated. I was glad too, because I don't like to be beaten.

All in all Marc's car was in my workshop for 3 days, with about 6-8 hours of time being spent on it, with Marc doing most of the the stripping out and me changing the steering rack on a Jensen Interceptor in between times.

I am glad have played no small part in getting another Maserati back on the road, and with Marc's help getting another Maserati running.

Duncan
 

lozcb

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Excellent Duncan , your the sportsmaserati pick of the good guy for the next week , well earned mate , can feel a sunday morning garden center meet coming on next time your in Woburn , coffee and cake on me



regards loz
 

D4dawg

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Agreed, major thank you to time and effort spent with Duncan as was a great couple of days
With us both scratching heads and trying various ideas.
And with Duncans knowledge of engineering seeing us trying these said ideas, and bouncing
Between both cars in attempt to get both back to life!!

A big happy ending to both cars uPon same day was an awesome
Result!

Plus.... Duncans new found love of lady gaga songs haha;)
 

Parisien

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What a great read...... a proper diagnosis, patient, clarity of thought, reflective rationale....brilliant!

Great to hear all good now.....just get on an enjoy her now!


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