I bought a QP V facelift 2010... or did I? Could use some help

[JJO81]

Hi guys,

I bought my QP V just under a year ago and I've enjoyed it tremendously. The previous owner maintained it fastidiously and it's been a very pleasant experience so far.

I have a few issues regarding the actual "origin" on the car which have caused me consternation recently when I looked up some things about the Quattroporte 5th gen.

The model year listed at sale was 2010 and as far as I can tell from VIN information the car was indeed registered in mid 2010. As advertised it was a facelifted 2010 QP with the ZF gearbox etc.

I believe it's a base model. But I don't know, and in the cars manuals and other things I cannot find information on things like trim level or even the actual model year.

I only know it was registered in 2010 but beyond that not much, except for service and ownership history (in Finland) which are faultless) and the car itself is in very good shape so far.

The reason I have a concern is that it was sold to me as a 2010, but many interior and exterior features in the car seem like they are from older model years.

For example, the infotainment unit is the one found in the older models. I believe the facelifted ones and certainly from 2010 onward had the Bose system, not the older Blaupunkt. I have the Blaupunkt system.

Also, on the exterior, I have the grille with the horizontal bars, not the vertical ones you see on the later Quattroporte V models.

In addition to this I do not have the LED front and tail lights but rather similar ones to the older generation.

These aren't issues I knew to look out for when I bought the car. I've only realised them more recently.

So my question is: are these older features standard for a 2010 Quattroporte if it was a base model instead of something like an S or GTS? I cannot seem to find any pictures online of any base model 4.2 QP V's that have eg. the horizontal grille and no LED headlamps.

At least the manual says Quattroporte Automatic so I am confident it is a facelifted model at least in terms of having the ZF gearbox and improved technical aspects in general compared to the 2003-07 range.

Is there anything you guys could tell me about the model year, make etc of this car so I can confirm whether the car I bought is indeed what I was promised at sale?

 

[ofenomeno99]

Yikes - I’m pretty sure the facelift is from 2009 onwards. Have you got pics?

 

[makeshiftUK]

Facelift QPVs started appearing from 2008 onwards - the 'base' model 4.2 has blue cam covers and a convex grill with vertical slats.

Post a picture up!

 

[JJO81]

Nothing I've uploaded. Visually on the exterior it's very much like the older models.

The most important thing to me is that the technical aspects of it are the upgraded ones, the ZF gearbox and all the other changes that were made.

The thing I don't understand is that the car was sold according to official transport ministry documentation to Finland as new in 2010. So unless it was sitting in a warehouse for quite some time it should at least be a 2009.

It's weird because I've seen over the years a few 2007's that had the ZF gearbox etc even though they weren't supposed to be around until 2008 and all kinds of, well, italianness. So I was hoping for any clarity on all of this,

As long as it's mechanically what I thought it'd be that's the main thing, although of course if it would turn out to be a 2008 or something I'd have to go to the dealer and try to figure something out.

I'll try to go snap a pic tomorrow. I've got the car parked away for the winter (it's pretty cold here and I doubt the V8 would very much enjoy sitting in negative a million degrees through the winter) but I could use any help I can get so I'll see if I can make time tomorrow.

Thanks guys.

 

[Scaf]

You can email
info@maserati.com
For a full spec of the car which should help you, you have to provide a copy of the V5 to prove ownership when you apply.

 

[alastairb]

Also, on the exterior, I have the grille with the horizontal bars, not the vertical ones you see on the later Quattroporte V models.

In addition to this I do not have the LED front and tail lights but rather similar ones to the older generation.

This alone would suggest you have a pre-face-lift

Check it out and see which one you have https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maserati_Quattroporte#Quattroporte_V_(M139,_2003–2012)

I've got a pre-facelift with ZF , tbh I prefer the curves of the earlier cars, I wouldn't worry about it.

 

[Gazcw]

If you do not have led lights or the chrome convex (4.7 S) or black concave grille (4.2 or gt s), but you have 4.2, zf box and blue cam covers then it sounds like a 2007 model that probably was left unregistered and then registered in 2010 in Finland.

A new 6-speed ZF-supplied automatic transmission was presented at the Detroit Motor Show in January 2007, with the first cars delivered right after the launch, marketed as Maserati Quattroporte Automatica.[52] As all the three trim levels were offered in both DuoSelect and Automatica versions, the lineup grew to six models.

The Quattroporte Sport GT S was introduced at the Frankfurt Motor Show in September 2007. Taking further the Sport GT's focus on handling, this version employed Bilstein single-rate dampers in place of the Skyhook adaptive system. Other changes from the Sport GT were a lowered ride height and 10 mm wider 295/30 rear tyres, front Brembo iron/aluminium dual-cast brake rotors and red-painted six-piston callipers. The cabin was upholstered in mixed Alcantara and leather, with carbon fibre accents; on the exterior, the door handles were painted in body colour, while the exterior trim, the 20 inch wheels and the exhaust pipes were finished in a "dark chrome" shade.[53]

The facelift Quattroporte débuted at the 2008 Geneva Motor Show. Overseen by Pininfarina, the facelift featured redevised bumpers, side sills and wing mirrors (the latter carried over from the GranTurismo), a convex front grille with vertical bars instead of horizontal, new headlights and tail lights with directional bi-xenon main beams and LED turn signals. Inside there was a new navigation and entertainment system. All Quattroporte models now used the ZF automatic transmission, with the DuoSelect being discontinued.

The 4.2-litre Quattroporte featured single-rate damping comfort-tuned suspension and 18 inch wheels. Debuting alongside was the Quattroporte S, powered by a wet-sump 4.7-litre V8 engine, the same engine utilised in the Maserati GranTurismo S, with a maximum power output of 430 PS (316 kW; 424 hp) and maximum torque of 490 N⋅m (361 lb⋅ft). In conjunction with the engine, the braking system was upgraded to cross-drilled discs on both axles and dual-cast 360 mm rotors with six piston callipers at the front. Skyhook active damping suspension and 19 inch V-spoke wheels were standard. Trim differences from the standard 4.2-litre cars were limited to a chrome instead of a titanium-coloured front grille.

The Quattroporte Sport GT S premièred at the North American International Auto Show in January 2009.[55] Its 4.7-litre V8 has a maximum power output of 440 PS (324 kW; 434 hp), ten more than the Quattroporte S, owing to a revised intake and a sport exhaust system with electronically actuated bypass valves. Other mechanical changes were made to the suspension system, where the Sport GT S single-rate dampers took place of the Skyhook system, ride height was further lowered and stiffer springs were adopted. The exterior was distinguished by a specific front grille with concave vertical bars, black headlight bezels, red accents on the Trident badges, the absence of chrome window trim, body colour door handles and black double oval exhaust pipes instead of the quad round exhaust pipes found on other Quattroporte models. On the interior, the veneer trim was replaced by "Titan Tex" composite material and the cabin was upholstered in mixed Alcantara and leather.

 

[Gazcw]

This alone would suggest you have a pre-face-lift

Check it our and see which one you have https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maserati_Quattroporte#Quattroporte_V_(M139,_2003–2012)

Great minds.

 

[safrane]

Would this help?

AutoCheck.com

www.autocheck.com

 

[MarkMas]

.... it sounds like a 2007 model that probably was left unregistered and then registered in 2010 in Finland.

.....

I think that the 10th character in your VIN should be the year of manufacture. I expect yours is '7' or '8'; built in 2007/2008 took a while to find its way to Finland.
Y: 2000, 1: 2001, 2: 2002, 3: 2003, 4: 2004, 5: 2005, 6: 2006, 7: 2007, 8: 2008, 9: 2009
A: 2010, B: 2011, C: 2012, D: 2013, E: 2014, F: 2015, G: 2016, H: 2017, J: 2018, K: 2019

 

[MarkMas]

Mind you, the 10th character of my VIN is 0, which says nothing at all about the year of manufacture! So maybe Maserati don't record that.

Anyway yours definitely sounds like a late pre-facelift. Does the interior look like this (Facelift ZF from 2008/9 onwards):



Or this (pre-Facelift ZF from before 2008/9):

 

[Ebenezer]

If it's got horizontal slats It'll be the "classic" (!) preface lift 4.2 ZF auto. Probably 2007 like mine. The 2007 auto was only produced for a year and has underpinnings like the duo select which was also available at the same time. Once they stopped the duo-select from 2008 some of the suspension/brake bits were then changed on the auto. Anyway as MarkMas has posted, the infotainment system will be the key.
Eb

 

[JJO81]

Yeah the infotainment is the old one. Just got confirmation from Maserati it was built in mid-2007 but only registered in 2010. Guess they didn't sell it for a while. Problem is, it was registered in Finland as a 2010 model, probably just based on the registration date. I really don't know what I can do about all of it.

Thanks to all of you for your help.

 

[Scaf]

Yeah the infotainment is the old one. Just got confirmation from Maserati it was built in mid-2007 but only registered in 2010. Guess they didn't sell it for a while. Problem is, it was registered in Finland as a 2010 model, probably just based on the registration date. I really don't know what I can do about all of it.

Thanks to all of you for your help.

It’s annoying for you if you didn’t get what you paid for / was expecting, but if you saw the car and chose the car at least got what you fell in love with.

I bought a Jaguar XJ in 2016 (model year change) but it was a late registered earlier model, the difference is that I knew that was the case and it was reflected in the price paid.

 

[safrane]

Like here in the UK, the build date and the registration date of cars can be many month, or even years apart. I have a Volvo C70 convertible which was built 2 years before it was finally sold and registered... that car had been replaced by an entirely new model

 

[Tallman]

Mind you, the 10th character of my VIN is 0, which says nothing at all about the year of manufacture! So maybe Maserati don't record that.

Anyway yours definitely sounds like a late pre-facelift. Does the interior look like this (Facelift ZF from 2008/9 onwards):

View attachment 111335

Or this (pre-Facelift ZF from before 2008/9):

View attachment 111336

And then there is also this (Bose head unit - facelift, 2010) - note the slimline airbag panel on the passenger side, also a facelift change (2008 onwards).

 

[Tallman]

Hi guys,

I bought my QP V just under a year ago and I've enjoyed it tremendously. The previous owner maintained it fastidiously and it's been a very pleasant experience so far.

I have a few issues regarding the actual "origin" on the car which have caused me consternation recently when I looked up some things about the Quattroporte 5th gen.

The model year listed at sale was 2010 and as far as I can tell from VIN information the car was indeed registered in mid 2010. As advertised it was a facelifted 2010 QP with the ZF gearbox etc.

I believe it's a base model. But I don't know, and in the cars manuals and other things I cannot find information on things like trim level or even the actual model year.

I only know it was registered in 2010 but beyond that not much, except for service and ownership history (in Finland) which are faultless) and the car itself is in very good shape so far.

The reason I have a concern is that it was sold to me as a 2010, but many interior and exterior features in the car seem like they are from older model years.

For example, the infotainment unit is the one found in the older models. I believe the facelifted ones and certainly from 2010 onward had the Bose system, not the older Blaupunkt. I have the Blaupunkt system.

Also, on the exterior, I have the grille with the horizontal bars, not the vertical ones you see on the later Quattroporte V models.

In addition to this I do not have the LED front and tail lights but rather similar ones to the older generation.

These aren't issues I knew to look out for when I bought the car. I've only realised them more recently.

So my question is: are these older features standard for a 2010 Quattroporte if it was a base model instead of something like an S or GTS? I cannot seem to find any pictures online of any base model 4.2 QP V's that have eg. the horizontal grille and no LED headlamps.

At least the manual says Quattroporte Automatic so I am confident it is a facelifted model at least in terms of having the ZF gearbox and improved technical aspects in general compared to the 2003-07 range.

Is there anything you guys could tell me about the model year, make etc of this car so I can confirm whether the car I bought is indeed what I was promised at sale?

This very much sounds like a pre-facelift, so 2008 at best, could be 2007 as well. Is it possible that the car was imported and then “first” registered in Finland in 2010? I suppose the history should give some info.

It is possible the dealer made a booboo…knowingly or unknowingly. Although you’d expect a dealer to know if a car was imported as a used car.

 

[zagatoes30]

Nothing new with older cars with later registration dates, my Lancia Fulvia Montecarlo is a series 2 built between 1972-73 but mine has a an original Italian first registration date of 1974

 

[billydv]

Although this is an older post, I wanted to help clarify in the event someone was trying to figure out what they have. Although I don't understand the process by which cars in EU are registered as new in example 2009 model year sold and registered in 2012 becomes a "2012 Maserati ", in USA that's not the norm.
In any event, there are 3 infotainment versions for the quattroporte m139. The first is Blaupunkt and it's the lower picture in post 11. Blaupunkt was installed in 2003-2008 production. Identifiable by the 2 diamond shaped knob panels below the unit. The second was Bose and its pictured in post 16 identifiable by the two round knobs on the screen sides and the letters BOSE on cd slot. Bose units were installed on production years 2009-2010. The 3rd is Magnetti Marelli and it's the top picture in post 11. It has the clean look. It was installed 2011-2012

 

[billydv]

Also just to add, Blaupunkt and Magnetti Marelli have lock codes that have to be entered after battery disconnect. Bose units have no code at all