Granturismo MC Trofeo - Road Registered
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Andyk
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Stu she looks amazing. Such a great project...Well done my friend.
StuartW
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That looks so awesome!
Hopefully, one day, I get a passenger ride
Definitely, I have fitted a passenger seat & harness all ready !
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Thanks buddy!
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Just brilliant, Stu. What a project, bravo!
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Thanks mate, it's been great fun - hopefully the driving experience will match!
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I can only imagine that even just sitting in it will be great fun!
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I did get to have a little ogle yesterday when dropping off my car at AV.
After I rather downheartedly showed Voicey where someone has not only rubbed my front wheel arch but also managed to chip a large chunk of paint off my alloy too, I cast my eye over your car.
I had a road to Damascus moment as I realised that when you have a race car registered for the road, you don't care about the odd scuff on the paintwork.
There are four holes drilled in the front bumper (for attaching a transponder?) and other bodywork defects, and I would care not one iota if it was my car as it just looks epic.
This surely is the way forward? Now, what former-rally car should I look to buy (because I want some practicality in the real world unlike your beast @StuartW ).
After I rather downheartedly showed Voicey where someone has not only rubbed my front wheel arch but also managed to chip a large chunk of paint off my alloy too, I cast my eye over your car.
I had a road to Damascus moment as I realised that when you have a race car registered for the road, you don't care about the odd scuff on the paintwork.
There are four holes drilled in the front bumper (for attaching a transponder?) and other bodywork defects, and I would care not one iota if it was my car as it just looks epic.
This surely is the way forward? Now, what former-rally car should I look to buy (because I want some practicality in the real world unlike your beast @StuartW ).
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Delta Integrale îs the only answer. But prepare to remortgage your house!
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@StuartW
Registered here so I could say a big "Thank you!" for being so patient with this one, staying patient to the eventual successful outcome. It was always going to take someone with patience to get this over the line. Aldous, Eddie and the whole team at AV Engineering have worked tirelessly to get it fully road legally, emissions and finally MOT compliant.
In terms of time required it has not been the for want of trying, the sheer number of hours of effort has been "brutal" on the software side of things and the number of reflashes felt like we where doing engine R&D rather than a 1 off car! The project's engine software was insanely difficult to crack and I had to full reverse engineer the entire thing to analyze all the many (over 100+) individual differences between a Maserati race ecu firmware and what's required to make the car work on the road reliably with long lifespan! For the avoidance of doubt the software and calibration was pretty heavily bespoke modified specifically for the the Trofeo and the car had many changes being of motorsport/racing origin (amazing car btw!) so it was absolutely painstaking work to do full differential analysis and get the car working with full emissions compliance, o2 sensors and the like.
Would love to see this thing out and about on the road ! Just looks insane
Regards
360trev
Registered here so I could say a big "Thank you!" for being so patient with this one, staying patient to the eventual successful outcome. It was always going to take someone with patience to get this over the line. Aldous, Eddie and the whole team at AV Engineering have worked tirelessly to get it fully road legally, emissions and finally MOT compliant.
In terms of time required it has not been the for want of trying, the sheer number of hours of effort has been "brutal" on the software side of things and the number of reflashes felt like we where doing engine R&D rather than a 1 off car! The project's engine software was insanely difficult to crack and I had to full reverse engineer the entire thing to analyze all the many (over 100+) individual differences between a Maserati race ecu firmware and what's required to make the car work on the road reliably with long lifespan! For the avoidance of doubt the software and calibration was pretty heavily bespoke modified specifically for the the Trofeo and the car had many changes being of motorsport/racing origin (amazing car btw!) so it was absolutely painstaking work to do full differential analysis and get the car working with full emissions compliance, o2 sensors and the like.
Would love to see this thing out and about on the road ! Just looks insane
Regards
360trev
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Well done Trev, I’m aware of the huge amount of input and work you and the team at AV have put into ECU firmware in general. My 360 is transformed after Aldous’s engine rebuild, part restoration and ECU upgrade. Keep up the good work and congrats on getting this Trofeo car out on the road!@StuartW
Registered here so I could say a big "Thank you!" for being so patient with this one, staying patient to the eventual successful outcome. It was always going to take someone with patience to get this over the line. Aldous, Eddie and the whole team at AV Engineering have worked tirelessly to get it fully road legally, emissions and finally MOT compliant.
In terms of time required it has not been the for want of trying, the sheer number of hours of effort has been "brutal" on the software side of things and the number of reflashes felt like we where doing engine R&D rather than a 1 off car! The project's engine software was insanely difficult to crack and I had to full reverse engineer the entire thing to analyze all the many (over 100+) individual differences between a Maserati race ecu firmware and what's required to make the car work on the road reliably with long lifespan! For the avoidance of doubt the software and calibration was pretty heavily bespoke modified specifically for the the Trofeo and the car had many changes being of motorsport/racing origin (amazing car btw!) so it was absolutely painstaking work to do full differential analysis and get the car working with full emissions compliance, o2 sensors and the like.
Would love to see this thing out and about on the road ! Just looks insane
Regards
360trev
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Thanks Bebs!
I am so very pleased your enjoying your 360 after its transformation. You'll have to get Aldous to put the latest and greatest software version on next time your there, its a step up again
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@StuartW
Registered here so I could say a big "Thank you!" for being so patient with this one, staying patient to the eventual successful outcome. It was always going to take someone with patience to get this over the line. Aldous, Eddie and the whole team at AV Engineering have worked tirelessly to get it fully road legally, emissions and finally MOT compliant.
In terms of time required it has not been the for want of trying, the sheer number of hours of effort has been "brutal" on the software side of things and the number of reflashes felt like we where doing engine R&D rather than a 1 off car! The project's engine software was insanely difficult to crack and I had to full reverse engineer the entire thing to analyze all the many (over 100+) individual differences between a Maserati race ecu firmware and what's required to make the car work on the road reliably with long lifespan! For the avoidance of doubt the software and calibration was pretty heavily bespoke modified specifically for the the Trofeo and the car had many changes being of motorsport/racing origin (amazing car btw!) so it was absolutely painstaking work to do full differential analysis and get the car working with full emissions compliance, o2 sensors and the like.
Would love to see this thing out and about on the road ! Just looks insane
Regards
360trev
As you will see from Trev's post here, the car is just about finished, it has a fresh MOT, is running super clean in terms of emissions and is coming home next week!
The work that Trev and the team at AV have done in cracking the code of the software has been nothing short of remarkable and well worth the wait. I can't thank them enough for their patience shown in getting this done and the CO levels & hydrocarbons are (almost) as clean now as running an EV!
The original mapping was only ever designed to be run on a race car, running flat out with not a care given to the dirty gasses produced, so to be able to drill down into the source code to get this changed without spoiling the integrity of the original purpose of the car was what we were after.
I have the original Trofeo firmware on a separate ECU for track use to get the full experience, so it was the ideal solution.
Thanks again guys and I hope you get to see the car in anger soon
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The holes that you saw on the bumper are for the carbon canards that we removed for transportation and yes, there are a few wee marks on the body! Plus the panel fit is appalling but at least you don't beat yourself up if you open the door onto the inside of the garage when clambering out of the car having got your foot caught in the roll cage!
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Hi Stuart,
Been tracking this thread with interest since I drove one last year in Italy with Maserati. We corresponded at the time. I do have a burning question, as I noted from your original project posts on this thread, that you discovered that the original ECU was programmed to just dump fuel into the injectors, with no finessing or thought given to emissions, efficiency, tuning or anything else for that matter. You also said that the chaps that were helping you get a road legal mapping together, did save a dump of that original mapping somewhere. Sound like you now have it on a separate ECU unit?
My question is twofold,
I guess I'm trying to understand if the ECU is monitoring its inputs/outputs based on what it knows its doing, or if something else is doing that and would be heavily confused on a road car with all its sensors, due to the crazy emissions resulting from the race mapping?
If it DID throw loads of errors, could they be cancelled with an ODBC connector for a few laps of the track, before swapping out back to the standard ECU for the drive home?
See where I'm coming from? The theory of doing this intrugues me. Eg, being able to keep a track day engine mapping based on the GT4MC on a separate ECU unit. Or am I talking ********?
Cheers,
James
Been tracking this thread with interest since I drove one last year in Italy with Maserati. We corresponded at the time. I do have a burning question, as I noted from your original project posts on this thread, that you discovered that the original ECU was programmed to just dump fuel into the injectors, with no finessing or thought given to emissions, efficiency, tuning or anything else for that matter. You also said that the chaps that were helping you get a road legal mapping together, did save a dump of that original mapping somewhere. Sound like you now have it on a separate ECU unit?
My question is twofold,
- If I obtained another ECU unit, could your chappie (or someone with the right stuff) upload that race mapping to the new ECU?
- If I then dropped that ECU into my 2008 GTS, assuming of course, that I'm at a track day, how would the car perform? Would the ECU accept that its dumping huge fuel loads into the engine, and thus expect the emission readings from the (for example) lamda sensors to be mental, or would the engine management system just start throwing loads of errors on the dash, becasue the air/fuel/exhaust readings were way out of step?
I guess I'm trying to understand if the ECU is monitoring its inputs/outputs based on what it knows its doing, or if something else is doing that and would be heavily confused on a road car with all its sensors, due to the crazy emissions resulting from the race mapping?
If it DID throw loads of errors, could they be cancelled with an ODBC connector for a few laps of the track, before swapping out back to the standard ECU for the drive home?
See where I'm coming from? The theory of doing this intrugues me. Eg, being able to keep a track day engine mapping based on the GT4MC on a separate ECU unit. Or am I talking ********?
Cheers,
James