F1 Enhancements

[Mr S]

Yes you can flash the TCU with no further setup:
4200 - 360CS
GT - 599

Better than the DBW which I didn’t rate.

Be interested to know if Sports Italia could do something with the TCU, or if there are other garages that would do a deal on 5 or so TCU's, and how much.

 

[mjheathcote]

Interesting discussion. I'll reach out to Alvin in Melbourne to question whether this can be done.
He has access to Ferrari privateer race teams and was the one who came up with the F430 clutch upgrade I now enjoy.

Tell us more about the F430 clutch upgrade please!

 

[bennzwel]

I searched a lot as I wanted to have the 599 GTO TCU on my MC Shift but no luck of finding a way to do or any tools/resources that can actually make it happen for me :/

 

[Mr.Cambio]

DBW is a well accepted and reliable upgrade for our cars, and it's the only one that is proved. On my car, the more throttle i give, the more fun and aggressive the changes are. Of course it is not cheap.
Reflashing the software from another car, is something i wouldn't do to my 100k car. Some people that have flashed the cs 360 software ended up with geabox or f1 pump trouble sometime, asking themselves 'why did this happen to me, f^^ing italian cars'.
If you really need some more agressivness than standard, you should search for the 1st generation 4200 ecu, that had real hard changes. It's the whole ecu, not only the software. Second step is, no matter what the software is, set the pis point low. This will give you aggressiveness without paying a fortune.
On the other hand, people with unknown 360 software, will just feel the difference because they just got rid of some hundreds of pounds to reflash, just like a placebo effect.
Hope this helps.

 

[mjheathcote]

I have the original first generation ecu, with the original firmware. Unless you drive a later car, which I haven't, you have nothing to compare.
I certainly think my pis needs adjusting for takeoff, still on original clutch from new, 17k miles.

 

[BL330]

Hi Mike,

Here's a previous thread - https://www.sportsmaserati.co.uk/index.php?threads/cutch-has-gone.22553/#post-536718
My Post is no. 10 and then later on.
Alvin went through 3 clutches with his GS and found the F430 was the same diameter. Vic in Sydney fitted mine in October last year using the F430 thrust bearing as well which he said was more compatible with the F430 clutch. The F430 clutch has wider tangs than the F360 clutch we use.
The result - Wow! Should always have been this way. Brilliant.

 

[Mr.Cambio]

I have the original first generation ecu, with the original firmware. Unless you drive a later car, which I haven't, you have nothing to compare.
I certainly think my pis needs adjusting for takeoff, still on original clutch from new, 17k miles.

Mine had the 1st gen and it was night and day. But yes, pis adjusting gives a lot of fun.

PS 17k miles in 15+ years?

 

[mjheathcote]

Mine had the 1st gen and it was night and day. But yes, pis adjusting gives a lot of fun.

PS 17k miles in 15+ years?

Yes, generally on average 1K a year. Its always been a high day summer car both the last 8 years of my ownership and the original owner from new before me. It has never been a daily driver.

 

[mjheathcote]

Hi Mike,

Here's a previous thread - https://www.sportsmaserati.co.uk/index.php?threads/cutch-has-gone.22553/#post-536718
My Post is no. 10 and then later on.
Alvin went through 3 clutches with his GS and found the F430 was the same diameter. Vic in Sydney fitted mine in October last year using the F430 thrust bearing as well which he said was more compatible with the F430 clutch. The F430 clutch has wider tangs than the F360 clutch we use.
The result - Wow! Should always have been this way. Brilliant.

Remember the thread now, few years ago.
Has this been done by anyone in the UK?

 

[BL330]

Remember the thread now, few years ago.
Has this been done by anyone in the UK?

Shouldn't be a big thing, just use the correct version F430 Clutch as below. There are 5 cars out here who have had it done.

Here is more of tale posted by Adam01 in 2014. https://www.sportsmaserati.com/index.php?threads/gs-clutch-collapse-need-help-please.13599/
"Firstly let me start off by offering sincere thanks and appreciation to member GETRDY and the team from ART in Melbourne for doing the research and applying their findings to GETRDY's GS in a live environment.

As most of you are aware, one of the weakest points with the 4200 series is the clutch assembly. Apart from wear on the clutch plate itself (to a degree can be managed by driving style), the pressure plate fingers have a tendency to collapse randomly - sometimes within short period after pp replacement.

A suitable solution appears now to be at hand and to my knowledge undiscovered in any of the Masa forums.

Thru connections/input from one of the local independents and active Ferrari racing team, it has been verified that the pressure plate from the road Ferrari 430 & F430gt3 (both identical part #'s) is a perfect bolt on fit for the GS and presumably 4200 series coupes/spyders.

Effectively this means we have available a far more robust alternative to the OEM offering. (I have suspected that at least with the MCV's this area was beefed up and perhaps this is how)

GETRDY has been driving with the upgrade pp for some 500km -(yes I know early days) and reports no issues and a marginal better/smoother gear change particularly in the low gears.

For mine this is great news and one we should be aware of."

 

[mjheathcote]

Shouldn't be a big thing, just use the correct version F430 Clutch as below. There are 5 cars out here who have had it done.

Here is more of tale posted by Adam01 in 2014. https://www.sportsmaserati.com/index.php?threads/gs-clutch-collapse-need-help-please.13599/
"Firstly let me start off by offering sincere thanks and appreciation to member GETRDY and the team from ART in Melbourne for doing the research and applying their findings to GETRDY's GS in a live environment.

As most of you are aware, one of the weakest points with the 4200 series is the clutch assembly. Apart from wear on the clutch plate itself (to a degree can be managed by driving style), the pressure plate fingers have a tendency to collapse randomly - sometimes within short period after pp replacement.

A suitable solution appears now to be at hand and to my knowledge undiscovered in any of the Masa forums.

Thru connections/input from one of the local independents and active Ferrari racing team, it has been verified that the pressure plate from the road Ferrari 430 & F430gt3 (both identical part #'s) is a perfect bolt on fit for the GS and presumably 4200 series coupes/spyders.

Effectively this means we have available a far more robust alternative to the OEM offering. (I have suspected that at least with the MCV's this area was beefed up and perhaps this is how)

GETRDY has been driving with the upgrade pp for some 500km -(yes I know early days) and reports no issues and a marginal better/smoother gear change particularly in the low gears.

For mine this is great news and one we should be aware of."

One to remember when the time comes.
Thanks.

 

[Wanderer]

Shouldn't be a big thing, just use the correct version F430 Clutch as below. There are 5 cars out here who have had it done.

Here is more of tale posted by Adam01 in 2014. https://www.sportsmaserati.com/index.php?threads/gs-clutch-collapse-need-help-please.13599/
"Firstly let me start off by offering sincere thanks and appreciation to member GETRDY and the team from ART in Melbourne for doing the research and applying their findings to GETRDY's GS in a live environment.

As most of you are aware, one of the weakest points with the 4200 series is the clutch assembly. Apart from wear on the clutch plate itself (to a degree can be managed by driving style), the pressure plate fingers have a tendency to collapse randomly - sometimes within short period after pp replacement.

A suitable solution appears now to be at hand and to my knowledge undiscovered in any of the Masa forums.

Thru connections/input from one of the local independents and active Ferrari racing team, it has been verified that the pressure plate from the road Ferrari 430 & F430gt3 (both identical part #'s) is a perfect bolt on fit for the GS and presumably 4200 series coupes/spyders.

Effectively this means we have available a far more robust alternative to the OEM offering. (I have suspected that at least with the MCV's this area was beefed up and perhaps this is how)

GETRDY has been driving with the upgrade pp for some 500km -(yes I know early days) and reports no issues and a marginal better/smoother gear change particularly in the low gears.

For mine this is great news and one we should be aware of."

Does 4200 included 4.2 QP5's?

And aren't the newer clutches Maserati supply largely cured of the tans issue? Perhaps the newer part IS the F430 part?

 

[Leicesterminiracer]

Does 4200 included 4.2 QP5's?

And aren't the newer clutches Maserati supply largely cured of the tans issue? Perhaps the newer part IS the F430 part?

I was wondering the same thing ?. QP5 4.2..