Classiche parts getting shape

Potakas

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I was casually scrolling on their webpage and apparently there is a section that was not there before.


Some info for the cars that will be considered classics and which parts will /are available. Currently I was only able to see availability for the 3500GT, the others don’t seem to work.

 

spkennyuk

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Interesting they have a section for the 3200 book marked. Hopefully they intend to start producing some parts at least that are NLA.
 

jluis

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Would be great if they stopped being assholes with the parts and how they treat their cars as disposable after 10 years
 

Potakas

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So, today I learned more. Currently the Classiche program is focusing on digitalising all of their records and once they finish with that, they will start producing the parts.
 

spkennyuk

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So, today I learned more. Currently the Classiche program is focusing on digitalising all of their records and once they finish with that, they will start producing the parts.

As ever they do things the wrong way round. The Classiche program should be about keeping the classic and soon to be classic cars on the road.

I have never heard of a digitalised record keeping a car off the road but i have heard of no longer available parts keeping them off the road.

Come on Maserati can we get the priorities right.
 

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As ever they do things the wrong way round. The Classiche program should be about keeping the classic and soon to be classic cars on the road.

I have never heard of a digitalised record keeping a car off the road but i have heard of no longer available parts keeping them off the road.

Come on Maserati can we get the priorities right.
I imagine it’s a case of transferring paper drawings into electronic format for CAD etc.
 

spkennyuk

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I imagine it’s a case of transferring paper drawings into electronic format for CAD etc.
Still seems farce about twit to me.

Surely if thats the case they should look at the most requested parts no longer available. Digitise those records first and then produce some parts. Then expand the available parts from there.

Digitising everything first could take years and still not put a single part on the shelf ready to ship to a classic Maserati owner.

Have they said how many people are working on the project out of interest ?
 

Maser73

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They talk to much, till now for many years it’s all blabla marketing. They could learn a lot from some other manufacturers….
 

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Still seems farce about twit to me.

Surely if thats the case they should look at the most requested parts no longer available. Digitise those records first and then produce some parts. Then expand the available parts from there.

Digitising everything first could take years and still not put a single part on the shelf ready to ship to a classic Maserati owner.

Have they said how many people are working on the project out of interest ?
I would imagine there are battles with IP and businesses no longer being business, or the moulds have gone. Even under the Fiat group several business were spun off when it all went mammaries north in the 00s and 10s; Magnetti Marelli, for example.

The relatively recent discovery of body parts for the DeltaGrale and 147 GTA were because someone quite literally tripped over them in the factory, so I hear…
 

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Parts availability seems relatively good for the 3200/4200.

But then I am comparing to the nightmare situation that was owning an urqauttro from 2005 to 2013, many NLA parts, some such as the exhaust manifold rendering cars unroadworthy.

Sold the quattro to buy my old `Alfa Giulia, one of the many positives was the amazing parts availability.

Can be tough when cars are in that hinterland where they are not new enough, or old enough to be supported!
 

Potakas

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Parts availability seems relatively good for the 3200/4200.

But then I am comparing to the nightmare situation that was owning an urqauttro from 2005 to 2013, many NLA parts, some such as the exhaust manifold rendering cars unroadworthy.

Sold the quattro to buy my old `Alfa Giulia, one of the many positives was the amazing parts availability.

Can be tough when cars are in that hinterland where they are not new enough, or old enough to be supported!
I agree, I am currently doing a major maintenance on my 3200gt AC and I needed many many parts, the only one that was not available was the wishbone. While I don't think it is completely OK for a car that, new, these days would have costed 150k+ (like the new Granturismo), I believe it is acceptable considering what Maserati has gone through during the last 50years. Don't forget that Maserati is a company that was bankrupt for almost 40 years, during its history, with ownership changes that none of their other competitors have ever imagined on their worst nightmares.

If Maserati wants to keep its brand reputation where our generation (+40YO) believe it is, (I am not sure what the younger people believe, but I doubt that they put Maserati up there with Porsche and others) they should step up quickly; and the recent press releases suggest they have realised it.

However, I tend to believe that people complain more than they should in terms of spare parts. Until the mid 90s there was not a stable owner with enough money to keep spare parts, they were literally redesigning the bumpers and they were calling it a different model. In regards to the models after the 3200GT, the problem is coming because of the F company and that is just sad for the Maserati heritage. It is because of the preservation of their brand equity that they have to do it.

BTW with my Audi Q5 3.2 MY2010 I have some problems finding maintenance parts and this is a car that shares many many parts with perhaps at least another 10-15 cars from the VW group. Also it is a car that back then would have costed 10% less money from an entry level GranTurismo.

Does anyone know when Porsche and Ferrari introduced their Classiche programs? I tried to google it but could find it.

UPDATE: "In 2006, Ferrari created the Ferrari Classiche program to protect the heritage that Ferrari cars represent. "
"First established in 1999 the Porsche Classic division is a section of Porsche AG with the specific purpose of preserving and restoring classic Porsche vehicles."

I am curious to learn how long did it take for these companies to make the parts widely available.
 
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It's that hinterland period that always catches you out, Alfa 105 parts are relatively easy to source but until a few years ago it was impossible to find decent 116 Alfa parts but they are now coming on stream. 155 & 75s are showing signs off improvements but still not common yet and don't get me started on SZ parts (although if you know the right man and he deems to talk to you its amazing what you can find).
 

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Porsche and Ferrari aren’t great comparisons. Porsche was always on with parts for old cars, they just moved stuff under the Classic banner. Ferrari was well served by OEM and independents and still is more than the factory.

Lamborghini is a better example and it strikes me as what is going to happen with Maserati. Took them about 2 years for products to come online. Did they do Murci headlights or Gallardo wishbones first? Nope. They did Miura suspension!
 

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Considering it's now virtually impossible to get brake discs on a Ghibli 2, I consider the statement regarding digitizing plans etc to be pointless.
First you start with consumables, then you move to obsolete easily worn out parts and then to all the rest.
Digitizing first before making consumables readily available is idiotic.
 

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Considering it's now virtually impossible to get brake discs on a Ghibli 2, I consider the statement regarding digitizing plans etc to be pointless.
First you start with consumables, then you move to obsolete easily worn out parts and then to all the rest.
Digitizing first before making consumables readily available is idiotic.
How do you make a brake disc without a drawing? And nowadays all the suppliers will want CAD/CAM. Therefore they need digitising.
 

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How do you make a brake disc without a drawing? And nowadays all the suppliers will want CAD/CAM. Therefore they need digitising.
Yes, ‘winging it’ on a brake disc would be disastrous and presumably litigious.
Tar-Ox can provide discs to order - not cheaply, but the option IS there.
 

Nayf

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Porsche and Ferrari aren’t great comparisons. Porsche was always on with parts for old cars, they just moved stuff under the Classic banner. Ferrari was well served by OEM and independents and still is more than the factory.

Lamborghini is a better example and it strikes me as what is going to happen with Maserati. Took them about 2 years for products to come online. Did they do Murci headlights or Gallardo wishbones first? Nope. They did Miura suspension!
It makes sense because Miuras are what are currently in Polo Storico being restored, and is where most of the work comes from in terms of parts.