Coupe prices - what's happening?
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Vampyrebat
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I saw this 2 weeks ago in Morrisons car park West Kirby. Looked to be in very good condition at a cursory view. I wonder what it would be worth??
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DLax69
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Maybe a tenner?
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Church of Noise
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You know, I have a belief (so there are no facts to support it - disclaimer) that some cars take some time to find their place, and some cars can be in fashion.
A couple of examples:
A couple of examples:
- prices of Porsche 911s of different vintages have risen immensely in the past few years (I say few, but you can even consider a period of 10-20 years for the old stuff), Ford Escorts have too. At the same time, some of these are already 'past their peak' it seems, with prices somewhat softening (I've asked access to HAGI for their indexes to get some more facts)
- I've had a couple of MGBs and MGB GT V8s. The latter are 250x more rare than the former (500k vs 2k built), while being more powerful etc. However, they were priced very very closely, until a couple of years ago, some people saw the V8 model as a car of its own, with prices going x2-4 for good examples. Rarity plays a part, as probably does the rather recently discovered difference in torque and noise
Having watched Number27 content recently; those focused on the Jaguar he bought, the Masers arent so far removed from his experiences....MD wanted £10K IIRC to sort his XK. The sort of service items and costs that put folk off our Masers are not really any different from the JLR family from the perspective he was showing it. And purchase prices are similar broadly speaking...
Brits can be awful brand snobs but Im not sure it's as singular an issue with the coupes ( and GS's?) as all that !
Brits can be awful brand snobs but Im not sure it's as singular an issue with the coupes ( and GS's?) as all that !
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Having owned both a Jag and a Maser I reckon the significant difference between the two brands is parts availability and pricing … Maserati could learn a lot from JLR(?).
I came away thinking that the problems were very similar honestly….
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You guys are right, for a brief moment in time I had forgotten the abysmal availability and cost of parts.... Most likely to have a negative impact on prices.
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No comparison with JLR. I ran two XKR's, similar big coupes. A vast network of specialists who know the usual issues and vast availability of parts for reasonable cost.
It is the parts costs on Maserati and high cost of general maintenance that make them trickier to own.
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It is the parts costs on Maserati and high cost of general maintenance that make them trickier to own.
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UK process have always been cheap, I guess due to being RHD.
Even with Irish VRT a lot of people here would buy a UK car as the spec was always better and they were cheaper if a bit more hassle. That all went when the UK dropped out of the EU which allowed individual EU countries to apply whatever import duties they thought fit, the Irish adding a straight 23% VAT charge as a starter. This equivalently killed imports from the UK in any great numbers. This has had an effect of firming up prices here as there is really no alternative, UK with 23% plus import duties or elsewhere in Europe but LHD and higher starting prices.
There is one anomaly, Japan, for some reason Japanese cars don't have the same import duties, most of the cars available are RHD and prices seem good, however the downside buying blind and the delay in it arriving put most people off.
Catch 22
Even with Irish VRT a lot of people here would buy a UK car as the spec was always better and they were cheaper if a bit more hassle. That all went when the UK dropped out of the EU which allowed individual EU countries to apply whatever import duties they thought fit, the Irish adding a straight 23% VAT charge as a starter. This equivalently killed imports from the UK in any great numbers. This has had an effect of firming up prices here as there is really no alternative, UK with 23% plus import duties or elsewhere in Europe but LHD and higher starting prices.
There is one anomaly, Japan, for some reason Japanese cars don't have the same import duties, most of the cars available are RHD and prices seem good, however the downside buying blind and the delay in it arriving put most people off.
Catch 22
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@zagatoes30 some people on a French maserati forum have bought multiple cars from Japan and indicated how remarkably well maintained they've been in most cases... Fwiw
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A 3 litre Sport? 25k or there abouts?
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Still good value when compared to Escorts
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But I couldn’t bring myself to buy either. Asking prices are too high when compared to Maserati; Dicky has a fabulous 3200 AC at not far off £25k and that has to be so much better than a Capri unless someone really wants to live out the Gene Hunt fantasy!
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I often wonder how quick the novelty would wear off on a RS2000 that someone had paid £30,000 for. At the end of the day it’s a 45 year old car with 110bhp and hardly a design classic.
Nostalgia soon wears off when the rose tints are removed.
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Off all the Cars I've had over the many years driving the ones that still have it are
Lancia Fulvia
Golf GTI MK1
Jaguar XJ6
Loved my Capris in the 80's thinking I was Bodie and Doyle but wouldn't have another today.
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My 1600 Sport the same Phil. It was a cheap car with a little bit more power than a standard Escort.
Slightly off topic but it does make me laugh when you read on that Pistonheads " My dad could've bought a Ferrari Daytona for £12000 in 1975" me thinking you could've bought 4 houses for £12000 in 1975.
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Absolutely spot on.
Back in 2010 when I bought the first 4200 for £10,000 it was the cheapest in the Country and that was my max amount to spend.
If it had turned out not worth buying I was going to buy a 911 as there were plenty on offer and today they are probably worth 4 times as much or more.