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Wattie

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MarkMas said:
So just 12 million people, then.
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If that’s what it is, yes.
The other 53 million can get back to some sort of normality then.

Locking down 12 million is more relevant to the mortality risk.
It’s for their protection after all. The science and statistics prove that.
 
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Harry said:
I’m watching the evening news and the Brazil variant. The report by Brazil's Oswaldo Cruz Foundation (Fiocruz) said: "The country is in a situation of collapse of the health system. At the same time, the pandemic has been gaining new characteristics affecting younger age groups: 30 to 39 years, 40 to 49 years and 50 to 59 years,"
This is not just an old person’s disease!
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The P1 Brazilian variant is indiscriminate in terms of what age groups it affects. There are many young people 20's/30'and 40's with no comorbidities or obese who are in hospital or dying in Brazil. This variant is a huge concern. Which is why UKG is so hyper about keeping it out of the UK. As you say the mutations of this virus may well affect every age group and not just the over 50's.
 
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Personally i think first world have all been conditioned to hold life as being far to precious, certainly it is to a degree, especially the closer you approach the twilight years .................but in my view its nothing to fear and certainly a subject most people dont like to talk about and shy away from ,but perhaps we should ,third world are most certainly not in the panic modes that the first world have been most of 2020 and 2021 ...................mostly with no health care systems in place there arent streets lined with covid deaths as the west would have you believe ....................i could do with some analysis from the statiticians on here as they seem to think a superior attitude give the only right answer ........................well answer this one why isnt africa with no health care in the most part covered and littered with covid deaths ............................and please dont tell me the footfall/travelling is far less than europe or south america ...........google how many chinese are in africa ................how big is the UN contingent in Africa ......................its something that has been troubling me and i struggle to come up with a simple answer
 
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Wattie said:
No it’s not but they along with a subset of individuals with certain characteristics are most vulnerable.
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Diseases mutate. And they mutate to their betterment. (The ones that don’t disappear).
So if they’re eventually left unchecked they will work their way to being deadly to the young as well as old.
That’s how diseases work.
Even though numbers are dropping in England I heard today about someone who I knew through friends of friends who died this morning. He was 30.
No existing (as far as friends knew) of any health issues.
He felt ill last Friday. Died this morning.

Both his parents had been vaccinated. Apparently he saw them this time last week.

Based on that. Get the jab. Err on the side of caution.
 
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Silvercat said:
The P1 Brazilian variant is indiscriminate in terms of what age groups it affects. There are many young people 20's/30'and 40's with no comorbidities or obese who are in hospital or dying in Brazil. This variant is a huge concern. Which is why UKG is so hyper about keeping it out of the UK. As you say the mutations of this virus may well affect every age group and not just the over 50's.
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2.5%!
The line is barely off the horizontal axis.
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The fear mongering line is meanwhile off the charts with this virus.
 
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Harry said:
I’m watching the evening news and the Brazil variant. The report by Brazil's Oswaldo Cruz Foundation (Fiocruz) said: "The country is in a situation of collapse of the health system. At the same time, the pandemic has been gaining new characteristics affecting younger age groups: 30 to 39 years, 40 to 49 years and 50 to 59 years,"
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I promised myself that I would keep away from this thread because there is so much misinformation within, it does my head in.
I saw that documentary, the number of deaths in South America is staggering, it was truly shocking. It has also been noted that the AZ vaccine has been proved effective against the Brazilian variant but countries that are suffering the most won't authorise it. Madness. Even if it were true that the AZ vaccine was as bad as they are purporting, it is far less bad than the deaths caused by COVID over there.
 
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Diseases mutate. And they mutate to their betterment. (The ones that don’t disappear).
So if they’re eventually left unchecked they will work their way to being deadly to the young as well as old.
That’s how diseases work.
Even though numbers are dropping in England I heard today about someone who I knew through friends of friends who died this morning. He was 30.
No existing (as far as friends knew) of any health issues.
He felt ill last Friday. Died this morning.

Both his parents had been vaccinated. Apparently he saw them this time last week.

Based on that. Get the jab. Err on the side of caution.
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Of course they mutate. For that reason you’re never going to have an up to date vaccine.....it’s already being superseded by the next mutation.
The “vaccines” will return us to normal is therefore a fallacy.
Bs.

The 30 year old was very very unlucky. Life’s lottery.

Do you plan to get your kids the vaccine?
 
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Wattie said:
Of course they mutate. For that reason you’re never going to have an up to date vaccine.....it’s already being superseded by the next mutation.
The “vaccines” will return us to normal is therefore a fallacy.
Bs.

The 30 year old was very very unlucky. Life’s lottery.
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Of course viruses mutate. They especially mutate in individuals catch the virus because they have zero immunity to it. Although not unknown, viruses don't generally mutate outside of their natural habitat, I agree that it is everyone's right to accept to take the vaccine or not. Those who refuse the vaccine should be aware that it increases the likelihood of the virus mutating in them and thereby it could affect those who already have immunity, either via having the virus or the vaccine. It really isn't rocket salad.
 
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Wattie said:
If that’s what it is, yes.
The other 53 million can get back to some sort of normality then.

Locking down 12 million is more relevant to the mortality risk.
It’s for their protection after all. The science and statistics prove that.
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Locking down 12 million people for ever is very different from locking down 65 million people for a month or three.

I think what you are proposing is lock don the 12 million for ever to protect them from death, while the other 53 million just go about their business with the virus becoming endemic in the population. So basically you are saying to people "We have decided that it is some sort of normality for younger people, and a high chance of death for older people, just get used to it."

Whereas what is being proposed is that all 65 million do a decent lockdown to try to stop the spread, and have time to get vaccinated, so that everyone can get back to some sort of normality later on.
 
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MarkMas said:
Locking down 12 million people for ever is very different from locking down 65 million people for a month or three.

I think what you are proposing is lock don the 12 million for ever to protect them from death, while the other 53 million just go about their business with the virus becoming endemic in the population. So basically you are saying to people "We have decided that it is some sort of normality for younger people, and a high chance of death for older people, just get used to it."

Whereas what is being proposed is that all 65 million do a decent lockdown to try to stop the spread, and have time to get vaccinated, so that everyone can get back to some sort of normality later on.
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Who said forever?
(Disappointed with your improper use of “for ever” MM ;))
Bit like

You’ve gone off on one again.

Lock Them down till the risk to them subsides...14 days, 21 days..... a month, till they’re all vaccinated.....double doses etc.

The science and statistics prove its best for their survival chances.
 
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GeoffCapes said:
Diseases mutate. And they mutate to their betterment. (The ones that don’t disappear).
So if they’re eventually left unchecked they will work their way to being deadly to the young as well as old.
That’s how diseases work.
Even though numbers are dropping in England I heard today about someone who I knew through friends of friends who died this morning. He was 30.
No existing (as far as friends knew) of any health issues.
He felt ill last Friday. Died this morning.

Both his parents had been vaccinated. Apparently he saw them this time last week.

Based on that. Get the jab. Err on the side of caution.
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Its not in their best interest to mutate and wipe out 100% of their hosts though surely.
 
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Wattie said:
Of course they mutate. For that reason you’re never going to have an up to date vaccine.....it’s already being superseded by the next mutation.
The “vaccines” will return us to normal is therefore a fallacy.
Bs.

The 30 year old was very very unlucky. Life’s lottery.

Do you plan to get your kids the vaccine?
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As my ex doesn’t let me see my children I have no influence over that. But if there were a vaccine for young children like Joseph (who’s 3) then 100% I would.

We’re always told about the sacrifice our grandparents gave in world wars and how we should repay that.
How about now?
 
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As my ex doesn’t let me see my children I have no influence over that. But if there were a vaccine for young children like Joseph (who’s 3) then 100% I would.

We’re always told about the sacrifice our grandparents gave in world wars and how we should repay that.
How about now?
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Sorry to hear that. Appalling.

I’ve a different view on children and the jab.....potentially ongoing jabs (for variants) Let’s see what politicians insist on as it develops.
 
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allandwf said:
Its not in their best interest to mutate and wipe out 100% of their hosts though surely.
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You are attaching too much intelligence to viruses. They don't mutate in their best interests. Viruses mutate. Some mutate so they are more successful than the previous mutation, some mutate and are less successful. Mutations usually occur if the virus is alive, and viruses usually propagate if they can find a host that isn't immune.
 
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