Are you worried yet.
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Wattie
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I wasn’t critiqueing the vaccine but I will now.
As you’ve mentioned it I think your assumption re the 44000 is wrong - thats the full sample size.
the 2 serious side effects should be measured as a % of only those that got the non-placebo. Otherwise the placebo dilutes the sample size.
So 2 out of 21720 given the vaccine developed serious side affects and one developed severe covid! 3 dodgy results.
Versus 3 serious cases of covid out of 21728 placebos.
Hardly reassuring is it.
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Wattie
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You’ve got less than a 3% chance of doing so going by the maths.
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It's the not discussed cost of the pandemic that concerns me
Listening to the radio yesterday, in March a guy of 26 went to hospital with pains in his legs , got misdiagnosed , sent away with antibiotics , they did nothing so he went back over and over in agony begging for an mri scan but due to covid it was a no
Eventually he was that bad they gave him a scan , one big tumor and lots of little ones in his legs
He's dead now , 27
How many times has that happened nationwide or worldwide , for what , to save 3% of the over 80s
And we're still doing it , although the takeup on lockdown two was much less than lockdown one and now the roads are busier than ever probably because all those on furlough are trying to find something to do.
Listening to the radio yesterday, in March a guy of 26 went to hospital with pains in his legs , got misdiagnosed , sent away with antibiotics , they did nothing so he went back over and over in agony begging for an mri scan but due to covid it was a no
Eventually he was that bad they gave him a scan , one big tumor and lots of little ones in his legs
He's dead now , 27
How many times has that happened nationwide or worldwide , for what , to save 3% of the over 80s
And we're still doing it , although the takeup on lockdown two was much less than lockdown one and now the roads are busier than ever probably because all those on furlough are trying to find something to do.
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This is my worry too. I don't have the stats or data but am concerned we are doing more damage and causing.more issues than we are fixing. This is pretty much no less than suicide. Without that data it is hard to say but Covid doesn't seem a great risk or issue in the grand scheme of things when we know the likely risk now of catching Covid is not silly high also the likely risks of serious health issues or death is very low.
This could be the biggest fxck up of all proportions if we end up causing more preventable deaths than the preventable Covid deaths. An almighty great bill and costs for generations. We just don't have the data but it is certainly looking possible and generations of pain and suffering not even incl included.
Then if you add reductions in personal privacy and all the other stuff being rushed and forcibly introduced we could be paying for this in a massive way for a very long time.
I am concerned about this situation more than ever and it concerns me much more than Covid.
This could be the biggest fxck up of all proportions if we end up causing more preventable deaths than the preventable Covid deaths. An almighty great bill and costs for generations. We just don't have the data but it is certainly looking possible and generations of pain and suffering not even incl included.
Then if you add reductions in personal privacy and all the other stuff being rushed and forcibly introduced we could be paying for this in a massive way for a very long time.
I am concerned about this situation more than ever and it concerns me much more than Covid.
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I can't believe so many people still on furlough.
Spoke to a mechanic mate of mine who's off work from a large group of garages in Somerset.
Here in France we still have no Bars, Restaurants or Cafes open and still not sure when that will happen as they want the daily infection below 5,000 and I'm sure with the few relaxations we have again it will start going back up.
Spoke to a mechanic mate of mine who's off work from a large group of garages in Somerset.
Here in France we still have no Bars, Restaurants or Cafes open and still not sure when that will happen as they want the daily infection below 5,000 and I'm sure with the few relaxations we have again it will start going back up.
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Wack61
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Whats the obsession with infection rates all about , it's deaths in the working population they should be focusing on
Until the 20th century it was survival of the fittest , advances in drugs and healthcare, better food,cleaner water have added 30 years to the average lifespan but surely you can't sacrifice the young who could be given a chance to survive with treatment over those kept alive with a cocktail of drugs
I really don't understand the thinking behind it at all , unless pensioners vote tory so keep them alive at all costs is the reasoning
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Infections rates are used as a predictive measure for hospital admissions which lag about 2 weeks behind. Although most people that get it will not notice, or be a bit ill, the more people that are around with it, the more people will get it and therefore more people will get it badly....
So at a guess the brothers Grimm probably are ******** themselves with what's going to happen in January in hospitals
It's worth looking at the trends by age. Sub 50 is the least worrying bit, as long as they don't transmit it to the higher risk groups (like those of us that recognise condenser points), but sadly they will.
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So at a guess the brothers Grimm probably are ******** themselves with what's going to happen in January in hospitals
It's worth looking at the trends by age. Sub 50 is the least worrying bit, as long as they don't transmit it to the higher risk groups (like those of us that recognise condenser points), but sadly they will.
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You are looking at most of the hospitality industry in the UK (those that haven't been made redundant already).
One client I spoke to the other day (very senior guy at Marriott) suggests that there are between 3 and 5 million of them still on furlough.
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A very simple stat is to look at the tens of millions around the world who have lost their jobs.
Compare that with the dead, multiples higher.
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Common misconception.
The covid test was never designed to be used to test the “infectiousness” of an individual.
This is where it’s fecked.
The test provides a simple -ve or +ve for the virus.
someone who is +ve could have had the virus months ago and not even felt Ill.
The “cycling” of the test (see previous posts up to 45 times!!!!) can produce a +ve result meaning lockdown for them and all their contacts and as a result the population even though they are not infectious.
total fuckery and a totally flawed approach to the situation.
The tests don’t even reveal how many times they were cycled....why not?
A cycle +ve test of say 10 shows high levels of virus.
A cycle +ve test of 45 shows minute, non infectious levels.
Currently, both are banded as +ve and panic ensues.
if this current approach continues expect to be locked down for years.....or until they cunningly give the order to cycle the tests far less, making cases and the virus magically disappear as all those with minute levels disappear from results.
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Interesting you post about a guy with a pain in his legs. So have I and went to GP. He examined me, dismissed it when I said you could see my skin on left leg moving all on its own sometimes (like worms crawling under skin), pain in groin, pain in left bum under where big bone is, and difficulty getting comfortable when sitting or in bed. He sent me for xrays and blood tests. Phoned up a few days later and couldn't speak to him, only receptionist who told me tests all negative.
Well, four weeks later, I am still very uncorfortable a lot of the time and don't really know what to do.
Any good advice?
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When are the “leaders” of the country going to stop moving the “kin goals posts.
Having reviewed the Tiers this week already, now they review them again and in my case bumping us into tier 3.
I now have to take down our outside “COVID safe” heated space ( no big deal really) but I can not imagine how restaurants etc can cope, not only with the restrictions placed upon them but the fact they change the rules two or three times in a week!.
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Having reviewed the Tiers this week already, now they review them again and in my case bumping us into tier 3.
I now have to take down our outside “COVID safe” heated space ( no big deal really) but I can not imagine how restaurants etc can cope, not only with the restrictions placed upon them but the fact they change the rules two or three times in a week!.
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I believe this is the case:
Leeds man who 'begged' for MRI scan dies from cancer
Sherwin Hall made 13 hospital visits before he was given an MRI scan which revealed several tumours.
www.bbc.co.uk
I am guessing only but there could be loads of reported or non reported cases like this. A direct consequence of UK Govt Covid decisions.
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Although one is a rather more permanent state of affairs than the other..
Rwc13
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Get an MRI scan. Pay for one privately if need me. An X-ray is next to useless if it is a lumbar or sacral nerve root problem. If you start getting pain in both legs, any kind of loss of sensation, particularly in the groin area, or start to have difficulty defecating or urinating, get yourself to A&E sharpish
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The mind boggles...
Wack61
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Sorry to hear that, other than pestering them there's not much else you can do
the show is on BBC Sounds, jeremy vine, yesterday ,37 minutes in , the tumors were on his lungs, big one in his pelvis
BBC Radio 2 - Jeremy Vine, 16/12/2020
Jeremy and guests discuss the news headlines and talk to the people making them.
he features on this programme
Leeds man who 'begged' for MRI scan dies from cancer
Sherwin Hall made 13 hospital visits before he was given an MRI scan which revealed several tumours.
www.bbc.co.uk
BBC One - Panorama, Britain’s Cancer Crisis
Panorama investigates how the NHS has managed cancer care during the Covid-19 lockdown.
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