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RobinL

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TimR said:
I would have thought there was... people who own numerous vehicles and spread their use across any number at any given time are likely to find they need to MOT a car that is SORN'd. A pre-requisite of road tax is a current MOT. ( & insurance )
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Interestingly although, as you say, you could drive to a previously arranged MOT or to a repair and MOT you would still technically be in default of your insurance, unless you told them first about no tax and no MOT. Additionally if it failed and you drove it to a repair garage you would then be guilty of driving an unroadworthy vehicle (but not driving without an MOT)! Nothing is mentioned about failing the MOT and driving home either!!

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Friends have cheerfully assured me that the insurance status resulting from the lack of an MOT is significantly less of an offence than I believe it might be - no insurance is a criminal offence afaik. I think they are trying to differentiate between the aspects of what is legally absent in the event that you are stopped by the plod vs an accident involving liability without insurance. There is no logical reason why this even “might” be the case imo. I would recommend clearing it with your insurer but in the event it is legal to attend an MOT on a car without tax, the insurer needs to stipulate that they won’t extend cover in those “special” circumstances....AIB stipulated there needs to be no “ break” in the cars “ road” status...I digress.
MOTs these day, if you fail, it isn’t a given that you can drive the car away from the station.
If the car fails, there are now a number of “red lines” when you will not be allowed behind the wheel on the public highway. Don’t ask me what they are...I’m a biker ! :as001:
 
philw696

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Its also a criminal offence to drive a car with no MOT and that also voids insurance.
I know as I was driving a customers car that I thought was legal and involved in an accident not my fault.
A teenager on a mountain bike rode into my lane as I'm doing 50 mph nearly killing himself and £6,000 damage to the Mercedes.
I had full Motor trade insurance and the car was taxed.
I picked it up for some paintwork repairs.
No MOT and I was taken to Bristol Magistrates court.
Vehicle not insured with no MOT as owner found out.
Big Sh1t fight and my insurance settled in the end.
My next premium cost 3 times more after.
Joys of self employment.
 
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When i send the 4WD Porsche Turbo for MOT I leave an A4 notice on the dashboard clearly stating: "This is an all-time 4WD transmission. Under no circumstances should the tester perform a rolling road roller test. Attempting this WILL BLOW THE DIFF.
 
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TimR said:
I would have thought there was... people who own numerous vehicles and spread their use across any number at any given time are likely to find they need to MOT a car that is SORN'd. A pre-requisite of road tax is a current MOT. ( & insurance )
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I'd think this is only possible with trade plates on a prior-arranged test appointment or the vehicle being put on a trailer for a prior-arranged appointment.
 
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So what you are all saying is, to summarise; you cannot legally drive a vehicle to a prearranged MOT test at a testing station, under any circumstances other than insured, taxed and with a current MOT ?
Someone once said 'the law is an ***..."
Quite the incisive observation....
 
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cheshiremaserati said:
I'd think this is only possible with trade plates on a prior-arranged test appointment or the vehicle being put on a trailer for a prior-arranged appointment.
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Dont reckon on needing prior anything if it's on the back of a trailer...
Happy to learn otherwise !
 
RobinL

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TimR said:
So what you are all saying is, to summarise; you cannot legally drive a vehicle to a prearranged MOT test at a testing station, under any circumstances other than insured, taxed and with a current MOT ?
Someone once said 'the law is an ***..."
Quite the incisive observation....
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No. You CAN drive to a prearranged MOT with an expired MOT, and no Tax, but ONLY if you have the agreement of your insurance company, or an suitable short term insurance.

If it fails you can't drive it unless you are taking to another garage for pre arranged repairs.

Oh yes. The booked MOT has to be within a reasonable distance. And if you stop for fuel that may be considered as 'shopping' so then you aren't going straight to MOT. :)


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RobinL said:
Oh yes. The booked MOT has to be within a reasonable distance. And if you stop for fuel that may be considered as 'shopping' so then you aren't going straight to MOT. :)
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I knew there was some strange caveat about no detours...lol :p
 
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Garages do not make much money carrying out an MOT, but it is a law to ensure that cars on the road are road worthy and do not present a hazard to the driver, passengers, other drivers, pedestrians etc. When we take our car for an MOT we all have a fair idea if it is going to pass or not. I normally book a service and safety check just prior to an MOT and ensure that afterwards it will be in a condition to pass without any problems, then the MOT. A garage will not legally impound your car if it fails, even on failing with a dangerous fault, but will insist on you signing a disclaimer before you drive away. Then nothing to stop them then picking up the phone and calling the plod, up to them. Basically any car on our roads should be road worthily, and the majority of us comply with that.
 
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RobinL said:
No. You CAN drive to a prearranged MOT with an expired MOT, and no Tax, but ONLY if you have the agreement of your insurance company, or an suitable short term insurance.

If it fails you can't drive it unless you are taking to another garage for pre arranged repairs.

Oh yes. The booked MOT has to be within a reasonable distance. And if you stop for fuel that may be considered as 'shopping' so then you aren't going straight to MOT. :)


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There is no stipulation as to what a reasonable distance is, so this is open to some interpretation. And because there is no stiplulation it is diffult to see them prosecuting on that basis.
 
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Saigon said:
Garages do not make much money carrying out an MOT, but it is a law to ensure that cars on the road are road worthy and do not present a hazard to the driver, passengers, other drivers, pedestrians etc. When we take our car for an MOT we all have a fair idea if it is going to pass or not. I normally book a service and safety check just prior to an MOT and ensure that afterwards it will be in a condition to pass without any problems, then the MOT. A garage will not legally impound your car if it fails, even on failing with a dangerous fault, but will insist on you signing a disclaimer before you drive away. Then nothing to stop them then picking up the phone and calling the plod, up to them. Basically any car on our roads should be road worthily, and the majority of us comply with that.
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Mmm... you can be fined up to £2.5K, be banned from driving and get 3 points for driving a car which has failed an mot with “dangerous” faults listed...!

https://www.autonetinsurance.co.uk/...2012/03/09/failed-mot-can-i-drive-my-vehicle-
 
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Saigon said:
Garages do not make much money carrying out an MOT, .
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I always thought that especially with guys charging 30 quid not 50 or 55. Been proved wrong though recently as been given the numbers and they can make a fair bit of cash. I know someone who is just adding it to their business as it can make upto 800 a day just doing MOT's with no additional repairs revenues. That is all on top.
 
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Hourly workshop rate ( +VAT) vs MOT (@ 1 hr ) = a loss !

How cheap are they are these garages that can "make" £800 a day I wonder ?
Licence fees+equipment+ manintenance thereof +staff wages/paye/workshop overheads ) =£800 ( when you say "make " you mean profit, right...? Otherwise thats 10 tests a day in approx 8 hrs @ £80 a test ( over priced at that !)
Im not getting your man maths there Im afraid...!:confused:
 
philw696

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rockits said:
I always thought that especially with guys charging 30 quid not 50 or 55. Been proved wrong though recently as been given the numbers and they can make a fair bit of cash. I know someone who is just adding it to their business as it can make upto 800 a day just doing MOT's with no additional repairs revenues. That is all on top.
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Deal with a lot of Google educated a55holes too that think they know more than my 40 years on the tools and constantly learning my profession Dean.
 
rockits

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Agreed Phil. No substitute for experience in the main. Of course excuse the numpties who have being in a job all their lives and are still useless and know little.

I know you are not in that category btw! Nor me.

We work hard at learning stuff and it often shows a mile off. Especially in anything technical as you just can't roll off buzz words and jargon to people who know. So easy to tell someone who really knows and understands to the people who talk cr4p.
 
philw696

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Spot on mate.
Point I'm making is in the Motor trade on the Technical side not Sales very hard graft and you don't get Wealthy for sure.
 
philw696

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Good question that one.
There's a lot more wealthy people than me on here and they ain't all in the Motor trade.
 
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