YouTube video on replacing the motor in an f1 pump

[alexholmes]

YouTube video on replacing the motor in an f1 pump:

[video=youtube;r6jh5SV8t1w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6jh5SV8t1w[/video]

 

[Parisien]

Alex...can't watch this at work...........great work....many thanks!


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[Parisien]

Just watched this.....can anyone tell me if this is whats done to "refurb" the failed pump as was mentioned before or was that the actuator only that can be refurbed?

Am a bit lost...the number given brings up the whole F1 pump from the eurospares page....

http://www.eurospares.co.uk/searchResult.asp?find=&M=3&Mo=384&A=1&B=20505&S=213264

Is there a specific motor part number ......not just for the whole pump? Otherwise why not buy a whole complete pump?!


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[conaero]

Well done Alex, nice find. I liked the bit where the instructor could not get the screws undone as he had the ratchet on the screwdriver round the wrong way.

 

[Dhanj]

Just noticed this thread. Apologies if you guys are already up to date on this now but in case you aren't...

Frank, it is possible to buy the motor separately from the US (I bought one off this guy!). The same guy who made that video sells them on eBay:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Electric-..._Car_Parts&hash=item3cc938d474#ht_1548wt_1158

He quotes the motor as being Ferrari part: 213264-M, 247223-M

As you quite correctly point out Frank, it doesn't seem that you can buy the motor separately in the UK. Seeing as the complete F1 hydraulic pump costs around £1k (including the VAT), buying just the constituent electric motor part separately for less than £300 could save a lot of money!

It seems that the complete hydraulic pump (previously Part No. 213264) has now been superseded by part 247223 (fits Maserati 4200, QP as well as a host of Ferrari's including the 360) as Eurospares have stopped selling part 213264 but that doesn't mean the old part doesn't work!
http://www.eurospares.co.uk/searchResult_one.asp?S=247223&TM=3&TMo=747&TA=1&TB=46297


You may recall reading on a separate thread that the F1 pump on my 2004 QP failed and I ended up replacing with an Alfa Selespeed item (an older version of part 213264!), which worked a treat. As a plan B, I had actually ordered the above motor replacement earlier and it is sitting in my garage at home. If any of the forum members I know experience an F1 pump failure on their cars, give me a shout and I can allow you to try the motor on an SOR (or should I say 'Try' or return) basis.

The above US based guy does a neat video on how to replace the motor on a Ferrari 360 without removing the F1 hydraulic pump out of the car! On certain Maserati's it may be possible to do this too but there is a lot less room to work in with our cars as you know!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdDmbUFOVyc

Cheers, Dhanj

 

[mjheathcote]

Interesting stuff.
The pump that is currently available is I understand is an uprated pump. Is the pump uprated, or the just the motor?
If the motor is the only part uprated, is the motor alone that can be purchased, the original spec, or uprated spec?
Finally if the uprated spec motor, can this be fitted to the original pump that would have had the original spec motor?
Sorry lots of permutations trying to get a complete picture!
Cheers!

 

[Parisien]

Dhanj...Loz will be more au fait with the pump/motor aspect of the Maser range....maybe best to pm him


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[Dhanj]

Mike,

My understanding is that evolution of the F1 hydraulic pump took the following path:

Stage 1

Alfa Selespeed F1 pump Part no 51736315 (as mentioned in Loz's post), the equivalent of which would have had a Maserati/Ferrari number (I do not know what that is). I am convinced that this is the part that was originally fitted to my 2004 QP. I have replaced mine and have driven over 1000 miles on it.

Stage 2

Part number 213264 as recently supplied by Eurospares and Maranello. Now my understanding is that only the electric motor (nothing else) was upgraded with this part and the pump head remain identical. Indeed the US guys video at he top of this thread is implying just that. What he is saying is that you can use the electric motor replacement (that he supplies) to change your stage 1 hydraulic F1 pump into a stage 2 (i.e. part number 213264 equivalent). I would have tried this had I not got the Alfa Selespeed part to work. As the American says, the replacement electric motor (produced by Magneti Marelli) costs 'less than half' of the price of the complete F1 pump.

Stage 3

Part number 247223 as currently supplied by Eurospares (see link in my previous post) and Maranello. It is my understanding, and again please correct me someone if you know different, that the electric motor has been upgraded again to make it more robust.

Loz, perhaps you could also comment? The only reason I posted was that someone on the forum had commented on this US guy's youtube video and I was trying to add more meat to the bone as it were.

Now my own advice would be to use the latest part if you can get it for a price you are comfortable with. However, if you would rather save some money and use the same F1 pump as your car rolled out of the Maserati factory with (stage 1) or the next evolution of it (stage 2 - part number 213264 or equivalent), then why not? It will work but I guess what Ferrari/Maserati are saying is that it won't last as long as the latest evolution (stage 3 - 247223). In my case the original stage 1 lasted 40k miles - if it manages another 30-40k I'll be happy with that!

Cheers, Dhanj

 

[mjheathcote]

Great thanks, just watched the video, should have watched it first, doh!
It would be certainly interesting if the pump motor 213264 or 247223 could be sourced over here.
I'm running the original early pump as far as I know, but if the uprated motor could be fitted easily in situ as per the 360, I think it would be worth doing as preventative maintenance for £250 myself at home. If it does have to come off completely to get to it, then messing about with the hydraulics then I guess it's a garage job so wait till it fails then swop over the motor.
So, can it be done in situ?
Cheers.

 

[Dhanj]

Great thanks, just watched the video, should have watched it first, doh!
It would be certainly interesting if the pump motor 213264 or 247223 could be sourced over here.
I'm running the original early pump as far as I know, but if the uprated motor could be fitted easily in situ as per the 360, I think it would be worth doing as preventative maintenance for £250 myself at home. If it does have to come off completely to get to it, then messing about with the hydraulics then I guess it's a garage job so wait till it fails then swop over the motor.
So, can it be done in situ?
Cheers.

Mike, you can buy the motor off that guy on eBay (its just that you would be buying from someone in the US and may encounter a small import duty when it arrives) like I did but please do your own research as regards your own car. Assuming your car is a 4200, I don't know if it would be possible to do it in situ. Perhaps one of the 4200 owners (e.g. Loz or Predator?) could comment.

I would also take the time to read predator's thread on replacing the F1 pump here:
http://www.sportsmaserati.co.uk/sho...mp-removal-and-fitting-instructions-With-pics

as well as Loz's original post on the subject:
http://www.sportsmaserati.co.uk/showthread.php/311-F1-pump-explained-and-how-to


I think if you read through the above 2 threads and watch BOTH the US guys youtube videos (including the one where he upgrades the electric motor on the F1 hydraulic pump without removing it on a Ferrari 360) you will be in a position to draw a conclusion as to what the best way forward is for you.

 

[mjheathcote]

Looking at the pictures, I would say it looks like the whole pump would have to come out unfortunately.