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lozcb

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Busy day tomorrow. Significant birthday party with its own classic american car show. There's about 15kg of brisket and 16kg of pork going in the smoker overnight and a further 10kg of wings and 5kg of hotlinks (sausages) going in tomorrow at the venue . Plus sides, of course and some smoked vegan stuff too. Got about 150 to feed in total.
Sounds awesome , working for these Aussies in SS is one permanent BBQ , they shipped over a 40ft refrigerated container full of Aussie beef and pork and Bacon and sausages , oh dont for get the Lamb shanks , Im taking 2 freezers with 400kg on the back of my Landcrusier plus a genny to the final field destination
 

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Hmmm, so first try: It was good, But BBQ, not smoked. Couldn't get the temp anywhere near 250. Any ideas?

C
 

Trev Latter

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A few questions….What temp was it running at, what fuel (briquettes or lump charcoal) and what did you use for smoking wood?

The temp issues may just have been too much fuel if it was running hot. One of the issues with the cheaper thin plate units is that the body doesn’t act well as a heat sink and they tend to leak air, causing the fire to burn hotter. If you’re using briquettes, maybe try it using the snake method so it’s restricting the amount of fuel that can burn at any time.
 

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A few questions….What temp was it running at, what fuel (briquettes or lump charcoal) and what did you use for smoking wood?

The temp issues may just have been too much fuel if it was running hot. One of the issues with the cheaper thin plate units is that the body doesn’t act well as a heat sink and they tend to leak air, causing the fire to burn hotter. If you’re using briquettes, maybe try it using the snake method so it’s restricting the amount of fuel that can burn at any time.

About 320F ish
Lump charcoal (Big K, The bag looked smaller on line! And they were big lumps!)

Smoking wood was a mix of apple and oak, but I rather gave up when I couldn't get the temp down. Just lobbed it on and shut the roof to get some flavour.

Snake method?

C
 

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About 320F ish
Lump charcoal (Big K, The bag looked smaller on line! And they were big lumps!)

Smoking wood was a mix of apple and oak, but I rather gave up when I couldn't get the temp down. Just lobbed it on and shut the roof to get some flavour.

Snake method?

C
You can also soak the smoking wood for a little while to slow things down...
 

Trev Latter

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About 320F ish
Lump charcoal (Big K, The bag looked smaller on line! And they were big lumps!)

Smoking wood was a mix of apple and oak, but I rather gave up when I couldn't get the temp down. Just lobbed it on and shut the roof to get some flavour.

Snake method?

C
Two options. Snake is where you make a run around the edge of the firebox (works best with briquettes) with three or four briquettes deep so it burns like a fuse when you light one end. The other option is the minion method. Nothing to do with the film, it's named after an american guy who used it successfully in competitions. Essentially what you do is fill the charcoal grate and leave a hole in the middle about 6-8 inches diameter. Light enough coals to fill the hole and pop them in. With any method, as the smoker is coming up to temp, start with all vents fully open and when it gets to around 150f (ish), close the vents by 50%. Same again at 200f and just a fraction more as it creeps to 225f or whatever temp you're aiming for. If there's room, a pan of water over the fire will help to take some of the energy and help regulate the temperature a bit.

There's a couple of videos here to explain. It's pretty straight forward, but both work. If I'm using my pro Q I use the minion method, although I don't often use it these days and I've used a snake in the Dancook (similar to a Weber 57) for overnight cooks with great succession the past. Both seem to work better with briquettes, but I would add that if you go that route, make sure you get really goods quality briquettes as some can leave a bit of a chemical taste. I use the Pro q coco shell briquettes in the Backwoods smoker and have had almost 36 hours out of a single load of coal (about 5kg). Pro Q briquettes

Snake method

Minion method
 

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Thanks, I'll watch these, I wonder if the measurement point is more important. I was using a digital probe on the warming rack which was within 10F of the built in probe.

three or four briquettes deep so it burns like a fuse when you light one end.

Can't see how I'd do that with lump? And that seems a *lot* more fuel than I was using. Took me about 90 minutes to get a fire I was happy wasn't going to go out but far too hot.....

C
 

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I've not tried a snake with lump. The thing with a snake is you only have 5 or 6 coals alight at any one time and the fire is fairly well choked by having the vents mostly shut down. Some of it will be experimentation and learning what the smoker likes. For example, a snake in a weber 57 likes the top vent fully open and the bottom vent used solely to control the airflow and temp. My Dancook is the complete opposite! It's easier to think of the bottom vents as a brake to slow things down and the top vents similar to lifting off the throttle and using engine braking. Rubbish analogy I know, but you get the gist.

Just for comparison, the Backwoods has coco shell briquettes in it, with about half a starter chimney lit and placed along the back of the firebox. The rest of the grate is full with wood chunks placed on top. Around 20 min to get the chimney going about 30 min to get up to temp (225f). all vents fully open to start, then top vent closed just over 50% and bottom vents (2) closed to the thickness of my forefinger at 150f. Water pan filled at 150f wit hot water. That'll settle somewhere between 225-250f over the next few hours, but won't go higher unless the water boils off. I'll top the water up just before I go to bed and that'll be enough to see it through the night comfortably. I don't use any gadgets to monitor things, just the temp gauge on the door, although I have checked it for accuracy. I got one of those fan controller thingies that came with the smoker, but I took it out of the box to have a look and put it back again. The smoker is good enough without needing it.
 

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I've not tried a snake with lump. The thing with a snake is you only have 5 or 6 coals alight at any one time and the fire is fairly well choked by having the vents mostly shut down. Some of it will be experimentation and learning what the smoker likes. For example, a snake in a weber 57 likes the top vent fully open and the bottom vent used solely to control the airflow and temp. My Dancook is the complete opposite! It's easier to think of the bottom vents as a brake to slow things down and the top vents similar to lifting off the throttle and using engine braking. Rubbish analogy I know, but you get the gist.

Just for comparison, the Backwoods has coco shell briquettes in it, with about half a starter chimney lit and placed along the back of the firebox. The rest of the grate is full with wood chunks placed on top. Around 20 min to get the chimney going about 30 min to get up to temp (225f). all vents fully open to start, then top vent closed just over 50% and bottom vents (2) closed to the thickness of my forefinger at 150f. Water pan filled at 150f wit hot water. That'll settle somewhere between 225-250f over the next few hours, but won't go higher unless the water boils off. I'll top the water up just before I go to bed and that'll be enough to see it through the night comfortably. I don't use any gadgets to monitor things, just the temp gauge on the door, although I have checked it for accuracy. I got one of those fan controller thingies that came with the smoker, but I took it out of the box to have a look and put it back again. The smoker is good enough without needing it.

Thanks, perhaps some pics would help, if you have the time? Just so I can see how mcun fuel?

C
 

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An old pic, but a snake in the Dancook with about 10 briquettes in the starter. Once alight, stack them at one end the same as the unlit coals. Looking at the pics, that was a three briquette snake.
 

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Haven't got any of the minion in the Pro Q, or starting up in the backwoods. The big offset is a completely different animal as it runs solely on Oak.
 

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Hmm, interesting. This seems like a matter of faith. Thanks

C
To some extent, I guess. With the snake you have a fairly consistent fuel supply burning over an extended period of time and if the air flow is closed down enough, it stops the fire running away. As I mentioned earlier, water pans help to absorb excess energy as water just boils off if the temp gets over 212f, so make it much easier to maintain a consistent 225-250f until the water boils off, at which point the temp will go up, but you can always top the water pan up again. If the temp ,is running away a little, topping up with cold water helps. It's just a learning curve, nothing more. You'll figure out what your smoker likes to make it do what you want and then you'll wonder what all the fuss is about. They're all different and they all have a sweet spot. slightly hotter is usually eerier to achieve and maintain which iOS why I suggested 250f rather than 225f. It's only a few degrees, but it does make a massive difference on some smokers. The Dancook and the Pro Q will sit happily at 225f, but the backwoods always finds its way to 250-260f while the big offset likes 275f on the right side and 250f on the left.
 

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To some extent, I guess. With the snake you have a fairly consistent fuel supply burning over an extended period of time and if the air flow is closed down enough, it stops the fire running away. As I mentioned earlier, water pans help to absorb excess energy as water just boils off if the temp gets over 212f, so make it much easier to maintain a consistent 225-250f until the water boils off, at which point the temp will go up, but you can always top the water pan up again. If the temp ,is running away a little, topping up with cold water helps. It's just a learning curve, nothing more. You'll figure out what your smoker likes to make it do what you want and then you'll wonder what all the fuss is about. They're all different and they all have a sweet spot. slightly hotter is usually eerier to achieve and maintain which iOS why I suggested 250f rather than 225f. It's only a few degrees, but it does make a massive difference on some smokers. The Dancook and the Pro Q will sit happily at 225f, but the backwoods always finds its way to 250-260f while the big offset likes 275f on the right side and 250f on the left.
That's also kinda key, for me...one side hotter than the other. And I put the smoking wood/chips on the hotter side, generally. I also have a stainless pan with holes all over it for the smoking wood to sit in, so they burn indirectly when I'm trying to cook low & slow. It's not atypical for me to smoke something for 6+ hours...
 

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That's also kinda key, for me...one side hotter than the other. And I put the smoking wood/chips on the hotter side, generally. I also have a stainless pan with holes all over it for the smoking wood to sit in, so they burn indirectly when I'm trying to cook low & slow. It's not atypical for me to smoke something for 6+ hours...
I can't remember the last time I cooked anything direct when grilling. I normally use the Dancook for grill purposes at home as its built into a 5ft steel catering table so provides a nice workstation. I've got dividers for the grate so I tend to pile the coals on one side (sometimes both) and just cook indirect with the lid closed. A handy tip for smoke is to use wood pellets of whatever flavour you like. I've got a pellet smoker too, so usually have a ready supply to be able to throw a handful on the coals periodically.

More, for me, faith that it won't go out!

C
If you have ocd and stack the coals neat enough, they won't!