Sale of ICE cars 9 years left

[dickygrace]

Yes, you are mate; you are not giving the response that the Government and Greenies are brainwashing us to give. However, the car companies don’t give a dead rat’s a55 about infrastructure problems as long as they get units out of the door to get back their massive investment in EV technology. The Greenies only care about what comes out of the exhaust, not what goes into making the bloody things. The government only cares about meeting environmental targets. The battery companies only care about making billions of batteries. The end user only cares about what other people think of them and the fact that, at the moment, EVs are cheaper to run. Personally, I’m at that point in my life where I couldn’t give a sh!t about all that cr4p. My next car will have a carbon footprint that can be seen from space, will cost a fortune to run, will sound epic and will make me happy every time I drive it.

Nailed it Benny, so as I suspected, I’m missing nothing but the brainwashing.

 

[dickygrace]

Reminds me of this beauty, old but gold

 

[BennyD]

I agree that lower demand should mean lower prices, but it's also right to say that lower output would lead to higher prices for the commodity.

OPEC and OPEC+ are very good at manipulating the oil price to keep it artificially high by controlling output.

What troubles me most about electrification and the drop for demand in oil is that it will de-stabilise the economies of oil-producing nations. Do we really want to de-stabilise the middle east? I don't think the western world has given this obvious danger the thought it merits!

There will a demand for oil for decades to come. Cargo ships, Passenger aircraft, home heating will all require oil of some sort. It’s easy to say central heating will all go electric but it won’t; there won’t be enough generating capacity to fulfil the demand on top of EVs. As long as ships need heavy oil, there will always be lighter oil taken off first in the distillation process. As for the Middle East, the sooner they back to doing what they do best, herding camels, the happier I will be.

 

[Gogs253]

I seem to remember reading about the development of ICE and the commercial requirements were part of the switch to ICE over steam and consequent lack of development.
I think it is the same with EV. Commercial requirements are the ability to haul heavy loads over long distances and I can't see EV doing that any time soon. Private EV are a bit of a side show.

 

[Phil H]

Reminds me of this beauty, old but goldView attachment 77664

I must admit to liking Harry Metcalfe's farming lifestyle; maybe give up the car thing and get a little smallholding with a tractor to potter around on. These are rather cute:






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[Wack61]

Not seeing that as a problem at all, given the 5yo Tesla probably wouldn't have the ability to drop its battery

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This was back when they were developing the first one

 

[philw696]

Well, I'm old, call me selfish but I'll probably only be driving for another 15 years or so, so I'm going to do whatever I like.

Me too mate at on my way to 60 how many years will I be safely on the road ?
I'm sticking with a nice classic.

 

[philw696]

Asking for a friend @safrane isn't charging an EV at your employer's expense not stealing no different to taking something home from the stationary cupboard ?

 

[Wack61]

Well, I'm old, call me selfish but I'll probably only be driving for another 15 years or so, so I'm going to do whatever I like.

Me too , while Chelsea is running a 5.0 Range Rover to drop chantelle and Jordan off at school I'll just carry on as before

 

[Alan Surrey]

When I did the arithmetic on the back of an envelope to see if the the mains supply cable under my street would cope with all (or most) householders having their electric cars on charge at the same time ( i.e. between getting home from work and sometime in the early hours when they reach full charge) it looked a lot like the cables would melt.
So never mind the extra power stations or windmills that we would need ( I used to do a bit of sailing - canvas and windpower - Has anyone else noticed how the wind tends to drop at dusk, just when everyone will want to charge their cars?) The entire nation will need to be recabled.

 

[madmanmart]

It won’t affect me as I only run old cars.

There will plenty of diesel from trucks to power my 4.2L daily for many years yet.

 

[Alan Surrey]

Perhaps someone in the government has done this calculation too and is now conscientiously ignoring it

 

[RobinL]

When I did the arithmetic on the back of an envelope to see if the the mains supply cable under my street would cope with all (or most) householders having their electric cars on charge at the same time ( i.e. between getting home from work and sometime in the early hours when they reach full charge) it looked a lot like the cables would melt.
So never mind the extra power stations or windmills that we would need ( I used to do a bit of sailing - canvas and windpower - Has anyone else noticed how the wind tends to drop at dusk, just when everyone will want to charge their cars?) The entire nation will need to be recabled.

There are a few 'issues'. As you have noticed the local distribution to consumers just isn't up to the task. The government and suppliers are already working on that - not initially by improving supply - but likely your soon mandatory smart meters either V4 or V5 will be able to throttle your incoming supply!
So you may wake up and find your car didn't charge after all!
Next up. There is still no common charging regime or equipment. On a mass scale that is unworkable so until a common standard is agreed then there is no chance of a usable public charging system.
Do the car manufacturers care? Not so much. Their job is to sell cars, not run them. My AMG needs 98 octane, do MB ask me where my nearest 98 octane is? NO.

EV are rapidly gaining sufficient momentum (sic) to ensure a change will come. Might take a bit longer though.

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[rockits]

When I did the arithmetic on the back of an envelope to see if the the mains supply cable under my street would cope with all (or most) householders having their electric cars on charge at the same time ( i.e. between getting home from work and sometime in the early hours when they reach full charge) it looked a lot like the cables would melt.
So never mind the extra power stations or windmills that we would need ( I used to do a bit of sailing - canvas and windpower - Has anyone else noticed how the wind tends to drop at dusk, just when everyone will want to charge their cars?) The entire nation will need to be recabled.

This is indeed a problem. Most houses will need 3 phase electrics to run one or more EV's on a fast charge. I had 3 phase but only 60a fuse on each so just had them upgraded to 100amp each. One of these will be needed to feed EV's on a separate dedicated circuit ideally to fast charge one or two EV's. Most houses don't have and will need it and most house will need a bigger power cable supplied so could be a fair amount of work, time and cost to achieve all this.

 

[rockits]

I never charge mine in fast charge a heat and slow charge it overnight on cheaper dual rate tariff.

Nice to have an option to fast charge in the day though. I wonder then if the cost difference narrows substantially to using the hybrid in Petrol for those occasions.

 

[Zep]

Most houses will be able to charge at 7.2 Kw, or 32 amps single phase. This is enough for about Most homes have a 100 amp supply.

7.2kw will charge just over 20 miles per hour.

 

[gb-gta]

Firstly, I’ve never even owned a diesel, never mind an EV, had about 30 cars, all petrol.

As long as petrol cars aren’t banned/taxed off the road I’m not too bothered if the masses want to use an EV as their only car. Just for commuting it wouldn’t bother me running one if it suited me.
However it would bother me if I was forced to choose one, and not be allowed to own a petrol car.
The other, even worse, problem is the big brother autonomy of driving itself coming fast. Quite literally politicians taking control of your throttle pedal, brakes and steering is a bigger issue than EV’s. Thing is, EV’s lend themselves to this. When/if that higher level of ‘autonomy’ happens that is when it’s not worth even owning a car, you are just sat in your own £50k taxi. Might as well be in the back, like many Tesla owners have already tried...
This is the point where the problem will be satellites controlling cars and humans controlling cars mixing on the same road, and they won’t want that, not controlling everything.
This is I think many years off though, hopefully after I’ve long gone, or am too old to drive.
What I would need then is a satellite controlled electric car that operates the throttle/steering/brakes for me. Hang on a minute....

 

[rockits]

Most houses will be able to charge at 7.2 Kw, or 32 amps single phase. This is enough for about Most homes have a 100 amp supply.

7.2kw is charge just over 20 miles per hour.

The problem is most houses have lots of other electric requirements potentially at the same time during the day so it makes sense to charge the car at night mainly for various reasons.

The electrician that came to install my charger asked my lots of questions on what other stuff we had. Electric shower.....yes....electric hob....yes....is it induction hob.....yes......electric oven.....yes.... electric car lift.....yes! It goes on

If some of that stuff is being used at the same time as charging the car there isn't enough juice for it all. Every property I've owned I have always had to upgrade the board from 60/80 to 100 it seems!

 

[RobinL]

It can all be done, but at significant time and cost. Many more rural properties with overhead cable have local transformers and 100A isn't available.
Wind power isn't predictable, there are already grid issues in getting power in, solar is also less than certain. So on the one hand we are fragmenting our power delivery, and on the other consolidating our requirements.
Even working from home is changing that power balance!
I for one will keep my trusty generator properly maintained and fuelled up!!

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[mjheathcote]

When I did the arithmetic on the back of an envelope to see if the the mains supply cable under my street would cope with all (or most) householders having their electric cars on charge at the same time ( i.e. between getting home from work and sometime in the early hours when they reach full charge) it looked a lot like the cables would melt.
So never mind the extra power stations or windmills that we would need ( I used to do a bit of sailing - canvas and windpower - Has anyone else noticed how the wind tends to drop at dusk, just when everyone will want to charge their cars?) The entire nation will need to be recabled.

Seeing as our mains supply feeding 20 houses melted last week, we have no hope!