Properly set up GS

m1980k

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Got my GS back from Giallo on Friday and managed to take it for a drive last night. Unfortunately, being absent minded to say the least, I once again forgot that my car goes out of sport mode when switched off (I stopped for petrol, as I do quite often, despite not driving the car that often..), so wasn't in sport mode the whole time. Anyway, I had FD stainless steel brake hoses, Ferodo DS2500 pads and new Goodyear Eagle F1s fitted, as well as the geometry checked. Matt also discovered that the car was riding about 10mm higher on the passenger side (no jokes about the size of the previous owner's partner or having a "fat floor set up" please). The car is now flat and low.

Anyway, even when driving in normal mode, the tyres made a huge difference: more steering feel and general responsiveness. I'll be able to better assess the brakes when I'm on track again, but the fact that I didn't notice them suggests they're a lot more positive and confidence inspring (they didn't give me cause to **** myself every few minutes - the car actually stopped when I wanted it to).

And when the car was in sport mode? Three words: holy ******* ****! A number of road tests from '04 had this car up there with the 997. After owning my GS for a few weeks, I couldn't quite get my head around that. It felt like more of an eight tenths type of car, one that showed it's weight when pushing really hard. But with the new rubber and the suspension properly set up it is an absolute animal and very sharp in the twisty bits. It just destroyed my favourite local B road route. So for anyone who drives or buys one of these cars and isn't blown away - you need to drive one that's sorted! Italian body, muscle car engine and it handles. I'm in love!

(Some of you might be wondering how I could fail to notice that the car was not in sport mode. Well, I just assumed that my clutch was on the way out! Those shifts in normal mode are absolutely dire. And I had the window open, so the exhaust was louder. And I was preoccupied with the fact that I'd just spent a load of money on the car and now it looked like I was going to have to drop £2k on a new clutch.. That made the short blast I had in sport even sweeter.)
 

Ewan

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Glad to hear your new toy is now driving how it should. My MC Victory is currently with Emblem for new springs, bushes and wheel bearings all round, plus new anti-roll bars and drop links. Once this lot is fitted it'll have a full realignment, so hopefully it'll feel pretty planted by the time I get it back.
 

m1980k

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Glad to hear your new toy is now driving how it should. My MC Victory is currently with Emblem for new springs, bushes and wheel bearings all round, plus new anti-roll bars and drop links. Once this lot is fitted it'll have a full realignment, so hopefully it'll feel pretty planted by the time I get it back.

Interesting that you're going for all that - any indications that the suspension was not at its best or are you just being fastidious?
 

Gp79

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Glad to hear your new toy is now driving how it should. My MC Victory is currently with Emblem for new springs, bushes and wheel bearings all round, plus new anti-roll bars and drop links. Once this lot is fitted it'll have a full realignment, so hopefully it'll feel pretty planted by the time I get it back.

That will be a big bill, 2k for 4 X wheel bearings alone. Keep the old hubs to sell on as they include the ABS sensors that fail from time to time.
 

Ewan

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My car's been sat virtually unused for the last 6 years, save for the annual trip to the MOT station and maybe another trip or two. During this time maintenance has been minimal (just oil changes really) as nothing was being worn out. But I now want to get it all properly up to speed so have decided on a thorough recommissioning. It's a five figure bill, but don't ask the details as it's painful enough already!

I am being fastidious but that's the way I like it. Items like the springs were corroded, so it seems more sensible to replace them than attempt any kind of refurbishment. After all, they are nearly 10 years old and have been known to break on 4200/GS cars. The underside of the car is being stripped back, repainted and waxoyled as well. New fuel and brake lines while we're there as well, probably. And so it escalates...! But hey, someone has to pay for those Emblem chaps' summer holidays!!!
 

Ewan

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That will be a big bill, 2k for 4 X wheel bearings alone. Keep the old hubs to sell on as they include the ABS sensors that fail from time to time.

Part of the reason for replacing the bearings is indeed because the ABS sensors are playing up.
 

mjheathcote

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The underside of the car is being stripped back, repainted and waxoyled as well. New fuel and brake lines while we're there as well, probably. And so it escalates...! But hey, someone has to pay for those Emblem chaps' summer holidays!!!

That sounds quite alarming, sounds like work on an old rusty 70's Ford Capri.... Surely not?
 

Ewan

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Have you checked the front subframe on your 4200? Now that these cars (and the early QP V cars) are about 10 years old it's very common to find them corroded. Not dangerously so I don't mean, but it can be the sort of thing flagged up as an advisory on an MOT report. It's part of the reason you shouldn't buy one without seeing it up in the air on a ramp.
 

RW3200

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Got my GS back from Giallo on Friday and managed to take it for a drive last night. Unfortunately, being absent minded to say the least, I once again forgot that my car goes out of sport mode when switched off (I stopped for petrol, as I do quite often, despite not driving the car that often..), so wasn't in sport mode the whole time. Anyway, I had FD stainless steel brake hoses, Ferodo DS2500 pads and new Goodyear Eagle F1s fitted, as well as the geometry checked. Matt also discovered that the car was riding about 10mm higher on the passenger side (no jokes about the size of the previous owner's partner or having a "fat floor set up" please). The car is now flat and low.

Anyway, even when driving in normal mode, the tyres made a huge difference: more steering feel and general responsiveness. I'll be able to better assess the brakes when I'm on track again, but the fact that I didn't notice them suggests they're a lot more positive and confidence inspring (they didn't give me cause to **** myself every few minutes - the car actually stopped when I wanted it to).

And when the car was in sport mode? Three words: holy ******* ****! A number of road tests from '04 had this car up there with the 997. After owning my GS for a few weeks, I couldn't quite get my head around that. It felt like more of an eight tenths type of car, one that showed it's weight when pushing really hard. But with the new rubber and the suspension properly set up it is an absolute animal and very sharp in the twisty bits. It just destroyed my favourite local B road route. So for anyone who drives or buys one of these cars and isn't blown away - you need to drive one that's sorted! Italian body, muscle car engine and it handles. I'm in love!

(Some of you might be wondering how I could fail to notice that the car was not in sport mode. Well, I just assumed that my clutch was on the way out! Those shifts in normal mode are absolutely dire. And I had the window open, so the exhaust was louder. And I was preoccupied with the fact that I'd just spent a load of money on the car and now it looked like I was going to have to drop £2k on a new clutch.. That made the short blast I had in sport even sweeter.)


Great to read! It sounded like something wasn't right but who would've guessed that.
Glad you've got it rectified and now have your smiles per miles ratio where it should be. Happy driving!
 

RW3200

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My car's been sat virtually unused for the last 6 years, save for the annual trip to the MOT station and maybe another trip or two. During this time maintenance has been minimal (just oil changes really) as nothing was being worn out. But I now want to get it all properly up to speed so have decided on a thorough recommissioning. It's a five figure bill, but don't ask the details as it's painful enough already!

I am being fastidious but that's the way I like it. Items like the springs were corroded, so it seems more sensible to replace them than attempt any kind of refurbishment. After all, they are nearly 10 years old and have been known to break on 4200/GS cars. The underside of the car is being stripped back, repainted and waxoyled as well. New fuel and brake lines while we're there as well, probably. And so it escalates...! But hey, someone has to pay for those Emblem chaps' summer holidays!!!

Very fastidious Ewan, though only what I'd expect from you.
Totally agree on the brake lines, would advise all to keep an eye on them as they are liable to corrosion, had mine done about 3yrs ago (car was 12yrs old) and they looked pretty rough.
 

mjheathcote

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Have you checked the front subframe on your 4200? Now that these cars (and the early QP V cars) are about 10 years old it's very common to find them corroded. Not dangerously so I don't mean, but it can be the sort of thing flagged up as an advisory on an MOT report. It's part of the reason you shouldn't buy one without seeing it up in the air on a ramp.

Fortunately mines never seen a wet salty winter and like new underneath. If I ever come to sell will be putting photos of the underside on the advert!
 

m1980k

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My car's been sat virtually unused for the last 6 years, save for the annual trip to the MOT station and maybe another trip or two. During this time maintenance has been minimal (just oil changes really) as nothing was being worn out. But I now want to get it all properly up to speed so have decided on a thorough recommissioning. It's a five figure bill, but don't ask the details as it's painful enough already!

Well, if you will insist on buying a garage queen... these cars need to be driven. Wouldn't have happened with an eighty thousand miler. :)

A blue MCV with new suspension. That's going to be some car!
 

alfatwo

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Well, if you will insist on buying a garage queen... these cars need to be driven. Wouldn't have happened with an eighty thousand miler. :)

A blue MCV with new suspension. That's going to be some car!

These nicely kept low miles cars are ones that'll make good money in the future... Don't get me wrong, you can still rag them to death now and again... just keep them down below 30K

Dave
 

Ewan

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I'm sticking with official Maserati parts. I'm not generally a fan of "upgrades". My car will be purely for occasional road use and taking to shows, so lower/stiffer suspension would be of no use for me personally, and I like the thought of originality.
 

Fat Arnie

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The issue of rust on the subframes stems from the manufacturing process. The subframes are not zinc sprayed before being powder coated, and I suspect not even properly degreased. The powder coat just flakes off. Having 90% decided to keep my car I will be removing both subframes this summer and getting them done properly, along with any other steel bits on the underside - springs, platforms etc, and the front undertray which also shows signs of corrosion under the powder.

Its a big job and requires lots of equipment, but I think it will be worth it.