Newbie looking for some advice on purchasing either a 4200 or a Gransport

Dan B

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Hello all,

total newbie here, so please go easy!

Just today bid a sad farewell to my Lotus Elise 111S, as with an 18 month old daughter it has seen very little use.
Which led me to thinking of a nice charismatic proper 2+2 within which the 3 of us could travel.

The only car I could think of, that as it trainspires seems to have a proper sized rear seats, is the Maserati 3200, which then led me to the 4200 and subsequently the Gran Sport.

As it would seem this seems to be the pinnacle of the range.....?
How are the prices for these, have they already firmed up and are increasing, are they still dropping, or have they just levelled off?

I am aware the mpg is probably less than half that of the Elise, but mileage will be sub 3000 miles a year, as we have another work horse car, and we both walk or cycle to work\childminder.

Can anyone who knows these inside out give me some advice?

I suppose I am wondering if the 4200 is a perfectly decent car, and of course they are a fair bit cheaper, or is it a case I would always want the Gran Sport?
Is there any trim or options I should specifically look for, and are there any major pitfalls that could be prohibitively expensive?

Finally, and this is reasonably key, though I am prepared to travel say up to 100 miles for servicing, as I live in Newbury, is there any known specialists anywhere near me that anyone recommends?
Additionally is there any good garages that would sell with a warranty, or am I am well to look for one privately?
How do people find the regular servicing costs, and what's the worst expense you could have, gearbox failure, clutch replacement etc etc?

I realise I was pretty spoiled with the Elise, incredible mpg, and cheap servicing costs with a stock K series engine, so just want to make sure I am fully aware of the facts before making the decision - I'm not someone who chops and changes cars regularly, I generally buy one and run it for at least 7 years, so like to try and buy the right model first time out.
Anyway, that's a huge host of questions there, so apologies for the barrage,

Cheers

Dan
 

Andyk

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Welcome Dan....a few x Lotus owners on here...Had a few myself over the years.........

You are right in thinking the Gransport is the pinnacle of the range and prices of these have not really drop for a number of years......and they did start to go up in value over the last 2 years. Lots of dealers charging 30k plus for these but you can get a good one for 24/25k and there are even a few below that. You must check clutch wear as a new one is the think end of 2k....Any car you look at I would make sure you get it inspected by a specialist.....

You could look for a face lift 4200 which is a late 2004/2005 which had the same sort of front grille as the Gransport plus a lot of the Gransport upgrades........You can get these from 15k up......Again very low miles ones are up for 24/25k at dealers but you can get a really good car for 16/17k I would say....A lot cheaper than a GS and not that much different.......

Any 4200 is a good car as long as its been looked after but as with all models they were improved with age.....The 2002 cars where upgraded under the skin in 2004 and then the 2005 had the face lift as well......some prefer the more classy interior on a 4200 to the sporty Gransport but thats an individual taste.

As far as trim....A Gransport with LE trim is more desirable than without and this was a limited edition package that was fitted towards the end of its life.....2005 on I believe. (Link below with the options on spec so you can see what you could order)....Most Gransports have full leather than was an option but there are a early ones with the tech cloth half leather which was standard. This looks OK in the right colour but is a little unloved compared to full leather and roughly are £1000 cheaper but with the Gransport getting rare price is more about condition and history.

Living in Newbury I would use Dick Lovett in Swindon as they usually will match any quote from a specialist and have a great reputation...but we do have a list on here of all the specialists.

Your first port of call needs to be Richard Grace cars....He is a member on here and very respected with many members buying cars off him. He will always give advice and worth a chat even if he doesn't currently have a car for you...

I will say from what you have said above and as an ex Lotus owner that if you have your heart set on a Gransport then you will only be happy with a Gransport and wished you had gone for one......Buy right and you will not lose money as these are becoming very sort after........

http://www.richardgracecars.co.uk/

http://www.sportsmaserati.com/showthread.php/16190-Specification-options-price-list

Sure an owner will be along soon to share they views but hope this helps....You will not go far wrong with a GS..
 

safrane

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Hi Dan.

The coupe is a great car and much more room inside than many other coupe. The boot is not huge but a 'stroller' type buggy fits in well (not that I have used one) and I know of a few members with small kids and they fit fine.

The GS is more hardcore than the 4200, and it does depend what you want. I have had three, 2x 4200 and now a GS. They are good cars and if maintained properly (Would recommend Emblem in Poole)

Coming from a Lotus you will find the car less nimble but it has lots of power.

Try both, as the 4200 is about 90%+ of the GS and a little softer on the road.

You are not too far from Bristol where we have a breakfast meet tomorrow...you are welcome to come down and have a look around mine.

Budget for repairs/service £1500 year 1 and then £2000 the following and about £2k for a clutch
 

Steve GS

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Hi dan welcome. You will get a wealth of info from the guys on here. It's all part of owning a maserati.
I went through the same process as you in my head and of course I went for the GS and never looked back. I've had my teething problems but I expected that with a 10 year old high performance car. I took mine for a little drive to monaco and back with out a single problem. Apart from frequent fuel stops. Go get one you won't look back.
 

hodroyd

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Hi Dan,
A warm welcome to the forum, a great place to start your quest for a Maserarti..!! I suppose the question you raise is dependent on your budget to a degree, the 3200 can be had from around £12k upwards for a good one, the pinnacle being an AC which commands around £16/17K. The 4200 starts around say £15K for a decent one, the facelift 4200 start at about £18K for a decent lowish miler..!! The GS can average out about £26K to 32K..!! So those are the price bands roughly and I suppose those figures will be disputed by some, but they are a guide..!!
As for what they give you, well they are all great, the later the car the more improvements you get, the GS being excellent, but some still prefer the 4200 facelift over the GS..!! It's best to drive them all and see which you like, after deciding on what your budget will get you..!! Whatever you decide to buy, get an inspection done, there is a list of Indies on here around the country, you can save a load of dosh..!! Speak to Dicky Grace and see what he has, or ask him to find you something..!!
Cheers
R
 

Parisien

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Hi Dan....nice to see you come over from the dark side!!!

Indie inspection.......

Buy the best you can.....

Have a bit of a warchest on hand as they are getting on a bit....

But first drive a few..........low mileage, medium and high...see if you can tell the difference.......see what suits, colour/interior combo.....off you go!


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Dan B

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Thankyou so much all for the warm and rapid responses!

Andy - that's really interesting on the values, and possibly means I have missed the boat a little bit eh.
I had a figure of around 18K in my head, but clearly that would be for a 4200 as opposed to a GS, but then from reading further down it's not that far removed from a GS, so swings and roundabouts I guess.
I'm not in a hurry to buy one, and although I have the cash, am considering taking the money from the sale of the Elise, and adding to it over the next 18 months (I set up a DD today to put £340 a month into it each month) which would mean in about 18 months (when I sadly turn 40) I would have around 22K to play with.
Though potentially if prices have risen by then, I may be snookered!
The blue one of a chap on here did catch my eye, and looks like a beautiful example, and in a pretty rare colour by all accounts.
Additionally this one caught my eye on PH - not a GS but a 4200:
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/maserati/4200/maserati-4200gt-cambio-corsa/3639332
Is this a known car on here?
Struck me as apparently reasonable value, and quite a nice looking vehicle.
But this from someone whose 'knowledge' is very superficial at the moment.

Another reason to wait until summer nest year is that I can be 'carless' for sometime which will let me know if I 'really' want one as opposed to buying something lovely on the rebound as it were.
Plus if I were to buy one then, I think I would appreciate it that much more, given the break.
Where is the best place to look, PH and Autotrader I assume?

Thankyou so much for those links Andy, really helpful :)

Safrane - you clearly love them having had 3 of them!
Is the GS your favourite?
I appreciate after an Elise with less than half the power, and about 60% of the weight the dynamics of the handling and the driving experience will be radically different, but from watching a plethora of videos on youtube, and hearing that amazing V8, I think it is entirely possible for me to enjoy it just as much, just in a different way - a bit less razor sharp I dare say, but an equally mindblowing experience on another plain.
Are you saying the servicing would alternate between £1500 and £2000 each year?
Is that just for the annual service, and I guess your budgeting would include for most consumables, except the clutch of course - 2K is a fair old hit eh!
(That was what I notices about that 16K example - new clutch a handful of miles ago)
Does the Cambio Corsa tend to chew through clutches to some degree then, ie do they last 50K on average and then you need a new one?
Thankyou for the offer of tomorrow, we have some family commitments tomorrow, and I also have a pig of a cold at the moment, so don't want to be sharing that around!

I would very much like to take you up on the offer in the future warmer months though, and if anyone was kind enough to take me out for a brief spin in their 3200/4200/GS to show me exactly what it is all about that would be REALLY appreciated.

Steve - thankyou for the welcome, glad to hear you went for it and didn't regret it - ah I see yours is one identically coloured to that 24K one on PH?

I have to say, the more I look at them, and read and watch the reviews, the more the shape grown on me, it has echoes for me of the DB7, bit of etype in their somehow, and I don't know, it's just a lovely pleasing subtle shape - plus I can't remember the last time I saw one on the road, and I do like to drive something a little different.
I would imagine the completely unimaginative choice for someone with a young family would be an M3 or an M5, and no offence, but I wouldn't even consider one of those, just too obvious for me.

Robert - thankyou for the welcome and those figures/price brackets, very useful, perhaps means the GS might be slightly out of my reach.
Would you say their values overall are only going upwards - 5% a year or something?
Do they tend to have good and bad times to buy - for example the expensive time to buy an Elise is in the summer, and they are cheaper in the winter.

Parisien - thanks for the welcome and advice, think you are suggesting they can be a bit pricey to run!!
 

dickygrace

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Welcome to the fold Dan, bet there's loads of ex Lotus owners on here. I know of at least 6 and I have had two Elise's myself in the past too. Hodroyd, Safrane and AndyK have covered most of the basics, and thanks to them as always for the recommendations. You know where I am if you need me.
 

zagatoes30

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Welcome all the advice above is good but the best way to find out what suits you is go and have a look. An early 4200 Classic, a 4200 Facelift and a GS they all have there plus points. I, as most on here know, am not a fan of the GS but love the better styling (IMO) of the earlier 4200 models but get out there and see which you prefer.

As far as servicing, Newbury to Poole is a great run and Emblem are one of the best. I take mine there and that's from Silverstone so pass you on the way.
 

safrane

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A good 4200 is a wonderful car and to be honest the extra 8-10k for a GS in my books is hard to justify...just get the best you can for the money you have
 

BennyD

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Dan, welcome to the forum and good luck in your quest. FYI, there is a meet at the Ace cafe on 12th March, so if you can get to that I am sure you would find it interesting. You can compare the various cars and I am sure someone would take you out in one, or more.
 

jayblue

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A good 4200 is a wonderful car and to be honest the extra 8-10k for a GS in my books is hard to justify...just get the best you can for the money you have

My first thought was i had to buy the GS and nothing else would do. Having owned it for a few months and covered 1,000 miles now i can honestly say as much as i love my GS i under estimated the whole coupe range in general and would have been more than happy with a 4200 facelift and the extra cash in my pocket.

I still feel the GS was the more natural choice for me, i prefer the looks, the interior styling and the wonderful throttle blips on downshifts. But despite the press bashing the 4200 a little and mostly singing the praises of the GS the 4200 is probably the better car for the money. They are silly cheap for what's on offer in terms of performance, driver appeal and that special feeling you get everytime you drive them.

Last thing i would say is don't be put off by supposedly "higher" mileage cars. If they have been well maintained and your annual mileage is likely to be limited they may well represent the better choice than the garage queen who is serviced every five years because it never moves.
 

Contigo

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Gonna say drive a 3200 as there is nothing that comes close to the torque and power when on boost. As said drive them all and decide which suits your driving preference.
 

Contigo

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In that case if I wanted to scare him off I would simply point him in your direction and ask you to take him out for a spin in your insanity mobile! A few revs of that and his ears will be nicely bleeding and he'll not know what hits him when the fireworks start!
 

allandwf

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It is the purists choice :) . But if he wants a watered down "Honda" or the models after, that tried to put it right ........
 

rockits

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Dan, I had been looking for about 9 months to buy a Maser and been following the market closely. Until last month that is as a bought one finally! I had the same decision on what to get but I discounted the 3200 early on as didn't think it was for me. My decision was a 4200 or GS. I think I then decided on the 4200 and a facelift 2005-on model. I preferred the interior of the of the 4200 to the GS and thought the GS was a little too much for me with the surf boards and the very different interior. This is only my opinion as I have not driven or seen any other model than the one I bought believe it or not.

However what I can say is that values of 4200's & GS's are all over the shop and are very wide. They are very dependent on condition and history. Better examples command better money and rightly so. I think my advice is the same as most. Buy the best you can afford. I have spent more than I had earmarked as came across a 1 owner from new, 11k miles car that was exactly what I was looking for. I think it was worth the extra as will always be worth it come resale time.

I am not sure if a GS might be better for you if coming from the Lotus. I have come from/through an R129 SL500, R129 SL60AMG, TT 3.2 V6 S-tronic, R230 SL55 AMG & 987 Boxster 3.2 S to get to this car. I have hit the spot right this time so finally got where I was looking to get to. Good luck with the search & decision.